Argh Almost got this nailed down - did some shopping today and was suprised just how small in size a standard 20GB Ipod is - not that much bigger over the mini and would easily slip into jean pocket So I thought I would get one - until I found out they are rarer than xbox consoles on Xmas eve So upon turning to the web I have another look at the Creative 30GB Zen Xtra which is some £80 cheaper than the cheapest 20gb Ipod How big physically is the Zen ? Im after something small to fit in trouser pocket or an inside jacket pocket (such as the pocket for a mobile phone) would the Zen fit ? Is it any good ? If I order it am I going to wish I had a sexy looking Ipod within days of getting it ? As said the player will be used 90% for travelling to and from work - hence needs to be small and fit in inside pocket when on bike etc Also at home would like to be able to use it as a hi-fi unit and get speakers or something for it - I know the Ipod has those cool looking docking stations with speakers built in - does the Zen ? What should I go for ?