justincase
Prominent Member
Too true.....It has been around as long as the game..Exactly. Nothing new about football hooliganism.
Only an extension of rival schools,estates,villages,towns counties,countries etc
Too true.....It has been around as long as the game..Exactly. Nothing new about football hooliganism.
It tends to be those on the left or those that vote for them that are against any form of patriotism, nationalism, pride or whatever else you want to call it. Who do you tend to vote for?
Exactly. Nothing new about football hooliganism.
Exactly. Nothing new about football hooliganism.
It tends to be those on the left or those that vote for them that are against any form of patriotism, nationalism, pride or whatever else you want to call it. Who do you tend to vote for?
There are people who only see the pride and people who only see the shame -
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Welsh national anthem - "Land of my Fathers." Not inclusive is it? What about any migrants now living in Wales? Also seems a little warlike.With regards to a new anthem for England it would probably be more appropriate to make no mention of god or the monarchy imho..
Ken Livingstone as London mayor used to throw money at celebrating St Patrick's day in London but wouldn't celebrate St George's day. In the nation's capital!I think what annoys people is that to celebrate England or being English is seen to be jingoistic but it is ok to celebrate everything else (you only have to look at the stupid hats dished out in pubs on St Patricks Day to see that)
So isn't the idea about "taking it back?" If you were a Muslim and terrorists were saying being a Muslim was what they were doing, would you do nothing? Accept being a Muslim was shown as being a negative image?I'm not against patriotism? My point all along has been that the English flag and the displaying of it has been given a bad reputation as a direct result of groups like football hooligans and Britain First etc. You can't blame those that see it negatively and ignore those that are abusing it with their supposed 'patriotism'.
There is something new about the resurgence of displaying England. Hence the posts above regarding Scottish devolution, England flags rather than Union Flags etc.There's nothing new about being English either?
We could use this:
Agree, sort of. I've always been against those singing "two world wars and one world cup," as I wasn't involved in any of it.Feeling shame or pride for the actions of others, that I have zero involvement in, is just bizarre.
Welsh national anthem - "Land of my Fathers." Not inclusive is it? What about any migrants now living in Wales? Also seems a little warlike.
Scottish National Anthem - Flower of Scotland
Also talks of war and not inclusive.
Ken Livingstone as London mayor used to throw money at celebrating St Patrick's day in London but wouldn't celebrate St George's day. In the nation's capital!
Hence for most people, St George's Day hasn't been a particularly big thing.
Not defending him at all but do you really think that is usual....the legal profession would be crying over the lost revenue...
Would have looked better if they had arrested him for contempt of court as well....
Point still stands that they have added ammo to the far rights cause
Not to mention that the idea of some Greek bloke slaying an imaginary creature with a pointy stick is a ridiculous thing to be celebrating in this green and pleasant land.
Without free movement of conquerors, we wouldn't have a patron saint
Guess we'd better stop hoping for a return of King Arthur to return to slay the dragon that is the EU....
If we are talking about patriotism for generating passion rather than specifically St Days, well the most patriotic nation I can think of is the US and then the rest of your argument falls flat.From looking around the world and within the UK, the two biggest factors that seem to generate passion for celebrating things like national saints days or other similar celebrations are:
1) being an ex-pat community.
2) being a historically conquered and/or suppressed culture.
That is very true. I've been an expat all my life and have celebrated Burns night in Libya and elsewhere, St Patricks day in Australia where the beer turns green for the day, and every other national day. Can't say I have ever celebrated St Georges day because IMHO it verging on being a bit fake. (bit like Morris dancing- but let's leave that one...)From looking around the world and within the UK, the two biggest factors that seem to generate passion for celebrating things like national saints days or other similar celebrations are:
1) being an ex-pat community.
2) being a historically conquered and/or suppressed culture.
Not to mention that the idea of some Greek bloke slaying an imaginary creature with a pointy stick is a ridiculous thing to be celebrating in this green and pleasant land.
Without free movement of conquerors, we wouldn't have a patron saint
23rd June.Other foreigners have pointed out that we in England don't have an independence day!
If we are talking about patriotism for generating passion rather than specifically St Days, well the most patriotic nation I can think of is the US and then the rest of your argument falls flat.
Everything about Saint George is dubious, so the information below should be taken as mythical rather than real.
- Born in Cappadocia, an area which is now in Turkey
- Lived in 3rd century AD
- His parents were Christian
- Later lived in Palestine
- Became a Roman soldier
- Protested against Rome's persecution of Christians
- Imprisoned and tortured, but stayed true to his faith
- Beheaded at Lydda in Palestine
- 23rd April was named as Saint George's day in 1222
That could well be the case...Think he has achieved plenty of attention ,wouldn't you agreeThe correct legal procedures were followed. Robinson knew precisely what he was doing and the attention he'd gain.
Well seeing you want to quote me i will respondThe Far Right are merely taking advantage of people's ignorance of contempt of court laws (which are designed to prevent trials from collapsing due to juries being unduly influenced etc
More like King Canute (or Cnut, for accuracy's sake)
23rd June.
Not really, since:
a) the US is a country founded upon and filled with immigrants.
b) it's a relatively new country that has no long term history or culture except for that of the indigenous population which was pretty much destroyed.
Ergo, give them another couple of thousand years and I doubt they'll be making such a big hoo-har about Independance from the British or what ever else for that matter.