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  1. djdhrubs

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    I quite enjoy these kind of things:-

    251. Gareth Bale, Tottenham | Football | theguardian.com

    What would you do in these circumstances as the ref?

    For me, the 1st one is a goal. For the 2nd one, the goal should stand but the sub should get a yellow or red card, and for the 3rd one, the manager should stay on.
     
  2. rio1981

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    1st one is no goal for me, ball goes 'dead' when it bounces back out. 2nd one I'd caution the sub but the goal stands and 3rd, I think the substitution would have to take place?
     
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    Why is Bale featured in that and why is he apparently topless?
     
  4. djdhrubs

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    They always throw in random stuff like that. I think they're trying to be funny.
     
  5. Amph

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    He's not (topless). You're seeing what you want to see. :D
     
  6. djdhrubs

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    How is it dead if it bounces back out but rebounds straight back off the keeper?

    And doesn't the manager have the final say on all substitutions?
     
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    1st - no goal (I don't think you can't score from a rebound in a penalty shoot-out)
    2nd - Goal and red card for the sub
    3rd - Player/Manager stays on
     
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    1st one is a goal. The goal stands in a penalty shoot out even if it rebounds off the keeper.
     
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    1st one - goal. One kick, one 'movement' of the ball.
    2nd - play ends from when the linesman fell over, redcard for the guy responsble. How can play continue if not all of the officials are able to watch the game and adjudge fouls, offsides etc?
    3rd - depends what is meant by 'signaled'.If the board has gone up I think the substitution has been officially registered and the responsibility for making the subs has been effectively delegated to the assistant. If however he's simply indicated to the player manager he wanted him to come off then the PM can refuse and ignore his assistant.
     
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  10. djdhrubs

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    I like this. We've between us come up with totally different answers and everyone is fairly convincing!

    :)

    Keith Hackett's answers will appear on transfer deadline day when all arguments in the planet will be resolved.
     
  11. deon444

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    1st one is definitely a goal as i seen it in a world cup final years back,sure the goalie was in goal for Brazil,he guessed the right way,ball hit post then hit back of keepers head and went in. Pen was given.
     
  12. Dony

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    That's right. I remember it now...France v Brazil at Mexico '86 I think.
     
  13. YNWA1892

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    Yeh it was see video below, penalty is around the 4min 20 mark.

    Brazil vs France World Cup 1986 - Penalty Shootout


    As for the answers:

    1st - Goal
    2nd - No goal as play should have been stopped and sub cautioned.
    3rd - Manager comes off as he has delegated to the assistant, while he is on the pitch he is a player like the rest not the manager.
     
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    Goal, goal and a red, and the sub takes place...
     
  15. djdhrubs

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    Here are the answers to last week's scenarios:-

    Keith Hackett's verdict

    1) In the past this would have counted as a miss, which is why this sort of situation still causes confusion – but the law has changed. Now you must wait until the ball has completed its path before either awarding a goal, ruling the kick has been missed or saved. In this case, the deflection is a valid one, and the goal stands. It's very rare that this sort of thing happens, but it does from time to time – again proving how important it is to be aware of law changes. Thanks to Dermot Rainey.
    2) As soon as your assistant was knocked over, you should have stopped play: the sub has clearly endangered his safety, and deserves a red card – meaning his side will continue the game with 11 men, but will have one fewer sub available. But as you did not stop the game, you should now award the goal, having effectively played advantage: there is no reason to penalise the home side, who have done nothing wrong.
    Ciara Marsh wins the shirt.
    3) This really isn't your call: the away side need to resolve it in a timely fashion. Ask the captain and the player-manager to come with you to the touchline, and urge them to find a solution in a professional, dignified way. But ultimately, if the player-manager insists he is overruling the change, that is his decision. Restart the game with him still on the field.
     
  16. djdhrubs

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    And here's this week's scenarios:-

    252. Mesut Ozil, Arsenal | Football | theguardian.com

    Bit of a weird trio. I reckon:-
    1. Allow striker to play as his ban was in the capacity of a fan, not a player.
    2. I guess talk to the player, keep it civil, caution him for unsportsmanlike behaviour
    3. Attend to the goal-keeper, make sure he's OK, allow the goal as he's probably not meant to have gum in his mouth.

    Not sure of any of them TBH.

    :smashin:
     

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