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  1. karkus30

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    Take a look at this video on YouTube:

    The Fall of the United Kingdom - Coming...



    Stefan Molyneux presents the fall of the UK. This is packed with statics and figures and does without the generalisations and rhetoric of those presented by money week etc.

    For those who say the poor are getting poorer...........they are.
    For those that believe higher taxes on the rich work...........they don't
    For those believing we are cutting the deficit............we aren't
    For those that believe there has been public spending austerity.........there hasn't been any
    For those that think the war in Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya was worthwhile............think again.

    This should bring socialists and libertarians together in understanding if nothing else. Its not a warning, its what is happening and what will happen. There is nothing to stop it until the clock runs down. It might just give thought for the times after the dust has settled that we must never allow this to happen again.

    We sold our souls to the devil. Its payback time.
     
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    We're doomed!
     
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    If the only human activity worth considering is the pursuit of profit, and the only human characteristic of benefit is rampant self interest - surely this is nothing but a logical conclusion of both become manifest in those hands where power necessarily accumulates .?
     
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    Its not the pursuit of profit that's the problem.

    The central banks can't survive without public spending and a taxation system. We let them do this to us. Profit can be obtained ligitamately but looting can't.

    Welfare through non charitable means was prohibited in the Bible for good reason.
     
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    It seems to me that sustainability would be the obvious balance to reach to secure long term gain for those pulling the strings. If this video is to be believed them the clear outcome is the quick demise of the cash cow.
    It is a law of nature that it is in the parasites best interest to keep its host thriving .
     
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    We gave them the power. Instead of taking responsibility for ourselves and our own families we gave that responsibility to the state. It played right into the hands of the Central bankers. The more Government is asked to intervene, the more they borrow, the richer the banks get, the poorer everyone else gets.
     
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    Go back and re read . I edited to Make the time line make more sense.
     
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    Would you mind expanding on that reply. Its a bit in distinct. Not sure what you mean by sustainability and removing the cash cow ?

    The state will never keep control of spending and will consistently increase its size, reach, power and cost. Part of the issue is the fractional reserve and unbacked fiat currency. However, even if we managed to get the state to put this in order, you can see how easily they would change it back. That means taking away that option for ever. It means the population must end its existence on the welfare state.

    My contention is that even if we did that and left the government in place-just like cancer-it will begin to grow back. This was clear in the USA where the constitution was meant to prevent this growth. In the end I decided the government couldn't be allowed to exist even in the smallest size even if that meant some ongoing issues.
     
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    My point was what benefit is there for the banks to bankrupt the state and impoverish the means of production and thus their continued sources of revenue .
     
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    The state can't be bankrupt. It can default on its debt. The banks are fireproof.

    The problem isn't the banks, its the state that has spent too much and refused to cut down its spending and unfunded liabilities. The result is a collapsing private sector over burdened by a high spending state and its inflationary money printing. Its the state that has created the banking monster. The monster could care less how it gets its money. If you can't pay your mortgage then what happens ?

    The kids in your classroom and the old will pay the price in the end.
     
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    This seems to contradict what the video about the red shield banks that implies they control the economy, and by association, the state.
     
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    :) shhhhhhh don't tell everyone.

    Is the brain more important than the heart, or the heart more than the lungs ?

    There is an old Japanese story about a caged bird. One day the the birds owner forgets to lock the door to the cage. The bird looks out at all the other birds that are flying freely in the sky. It ponders on the dangers and the advantages of freedom. 'Who will feed me, give me shelter, defend me, take care of me when I am sick and old? ' it asks . The bird thinks about freedom for so long that eventually the owner returns. Noticing the cage door is open. He carefully latches it again.
     
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    Looking back at British History we have a pattern of making a lot of money then getting into a lot of debt and then finding a way out of that debt and repeat. It's not a new thing, in fact we have been doomed many times before. This time ? With the way technology is moving, traditional Economics is probably doomed, therefore countries that do not adapt quickly enough are doomed.

    Or we'll get hit by a big space rock. Either way we are doomed.
     
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    So would it be fair to say we are all doomed?

    :)
     
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    That's a very elaborate way of not addressing my point.!
     
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    I did address it. You just haven't understood the answer. Its a pyramid in which you are one of the blocks. The knot has no end or beginning. It pointless to say its all the fault of the red shield banks, because they couldn't have become so powerful without rulers to build the laws to accommodate them. The rulers could not have happened without the will of the people. The rulers cannot exist without the red shield banks because the people aren't tolerant of reduced public spending.

    There is only two ways that a Government can rule and that's either by violence of gifts. Violence always results in revolt so they use a combination of fear and gifts. Like training an animal to obedience. In fact that's exactly what it is.

    So the Government wont curtail the central banks activities-its clear they are giving increased latitude-and the people are wedded to the idea of a welfare state. Any Government seriously cutting back spending would be dragged out of office and beaten to death.

    You notice that no Government ever questions the existence of the red shield-central-banks. Quite the opposite. They have continually increased their power and scope. Twelve unelected men now control our entire monetary system. They don't need to control Government because for all intents and purposes they are the Government and the Government is the central bank.
     
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    Its what Politicians do, even a wannabe.;)
     
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    I can guarantee that otherwise there wouldn't be so many undertakers. :)
     
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    Wash your mouth out, the thought of it is revolting. Its a metaphor in a story.
     
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    So both videos aren't totally accurate then. God may not have given you great emotions but you certainly hit every branch when you fell out of his metaphor tree.
     
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    Both videos tell the story. If little Red Riding Hood hadn't gone into the forest then the wolf couldn't have had the opportunity to eat her. What is accurate ? The point is what it means to you and not what it means to me. It either stirs you or it doesn't and whatever you think it can only be right. If the video had been a picture of a flower waving in the wind how would you have interpreted it ?
     
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    Exactly. Kings got into debt, they then taxed their way out of it. The state then took tax away from the royals and gave it to parliament. When the country got into debt, parliament taxed their way out of it. This whole govt runs up debt to 'nanny us' looks like nonsense when you see how much debt we got into with a 'small state' that paid out no welfare, had no education bill, and had limited liability to it's subjects.

    One of the underlying causes of the War of the Roses was debt and how it was managed. The Yorkists promised to undo the problems created under Henry IV and VI, but ended up being condemned for not doing enough to sort it out. Which is one of the reasons we now have a Welsh family line on the throne.

    One of the biggest problems we face is the growing automation of the service sector. Once the likes of Amazon get robotic services going, who the hell is going to have a job in the future?

    As for the poor private sector being a victim of wicked overspending govt, give me a break. :rolleyes: Bad management, poor investment, ill thought out mergers, and too much suckling on the states teat in place of innovation have crippled the Private sector, not govt.
     
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    You'd have been right at home with the Luddites, shaking your fist at that pesky machinery.
     
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    ? I was quoting from a recent study into automation brought to my attention by my son. It was fascinating stuff, if a little scary when it came to military advances in robotics. In the study it showed there are plans to replace all staff at Amazon with automated loading and packing robots and robots that deliver the products.

    As far as I'm concerned if my packages get sorted and delivered quicker as a result, I'm all for it.

    There was however, the downside mentioned. What will people do once large numbers of jobs are lost in the service sector, which is now our largest employment?

    I don't see how that equates to being a Luddite? ;)
     
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    The service sector could build and maintain the robots, higher quality and better paid jobs, even if there would be less of them, maybe.
     
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    Come on overkill :-/ where do you think Blue ray players, big screen TVs, Computers and iPads came from. We now have 60 million people in the UK, all well fed-over fed in many cases. We have the choice to work or have leisure time. 500 years ago there were barely 6 million people who were underfed and had little to no leisure time. Back then it was no doubt wondered what would happen after mechanised farming came along.

    No one could have envisaged a time when people would voluntarily waste energy by running and weight training never mind actually paying for it. Anyone travelling by carriage was considered to be only the most wealthy, now most of the population have far more comfortable and faster cars.

    What is often not understood is that labour is a scarce resource. Indeed its one of the most scarce of all resources on the planet. This is why its a tragedy that we have so many long term unemployed. There is no reason for it except .......well you know why.

    Once workers are liberated from one drudgery, it means they are available for other industries. Once we got rid of hand pulled ploughs we needed green grocers, then food processing plants, freezer manufacturers, machine builders, advertising executives.......on and on and on.
     
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    Technological unemployment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    Lost me at the public worker bashing
     
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    I'm supposing you mean the film ? In which case no public workers were bashed, the cost was revealed in context with the private sector which provides all the money to fund it.
     

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