goughymachine
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Hey all, while if have a V6A, I thought this was more generic to most Yamaha's, and might help others.
I'd like to get a bit more of a handle on the surround and dsp modes on my v6a, and what exactly I'm getting from them!
I understand Pure Direct and Straight, and really what's happening with Auto, DSur, Neural X etc. I tend to not be someone who changes surround modes, I just like something that works. On my previous yammy avr I just pretty much left it on Auto.
But about 1/3 of what we watch is a particular FTA station that has a 2ch pcm signal, and when in Auto it selects DSur for it and we get vocal bleed into our surrounds which is highly annoying. So basically I just leave it all on DSP Standard, and am happy enough with that. In Standard it selects Neo 6 Cinema for this FTA channel and we get no bleed into the surrounds. Other channels that have DD it selects DD. I have no idea why Auto doesn't also pick Neo 6 for this station? In fact, I've never yet seen Auto select any other surround decoder other than DSur.
But I'm not sure what's really happening with things. For instance, in Standard when I watch something that includes Atmos the avr just says DD+. But if I switch to Straight or Auto (or DSur or Neural X) it says Atmos/DD+. I should mention that I'm not currently using height speakers (thought I have tested them), but I just want to get a proper understanding of what's going on.
I'm assuming when in Standard (or another DSP) it will expand the sound field to include all available speakers regardless of the original source. But I see that if the source includes Atmos that it still only says DD+ on the avr. But if Standard should expand to include all speakers, would it just be sending that atmos track out as it would in Straight or Auto? Or is it doing something else, or is it not reading the Atmos data at all?
I'm thinking of adding some Back Surrounds. If I was to select Straight, I'm assuming it wouldn't engage those if the input signal is only 5.1?
And with regards to Virtual Presence and Virtual Surround Back, if I'm using a DSP like Standard are those features functioning, or do I need to use Auto or DSur for those to be used? Are VP and VSB engaged on the yamaha dsp modes? I gather from years past when there was no atmos, and yamaha avr's had Front Presence speakers that you had to engage one of yamaha's dsp's for the FP speakers to be utilised?
I also increase the Dialog Volume by +2. We don't listen very loud, only in the -40 to -30 range and it really helps. But if I was to use a surround mode like Neural X, would the dialog volume adjustment still be used?
And last about me - I'm currently running a 5.1 system with my LR surrounds as in ceiling speakers. I tried atmos with them and using some normal surround speakers for the LRS, but my wife hated having speakers on stands in the room, so that idea was kyboshed. I'm considering two other options for those spare speakers - either a 7.1 system (I can mount them on a shelf approx 2.5mtrs behind the lounge, but only 2ft apart from each other) or using them as FP speakers. What would you recommend is going to give me the greatest benefit?
What are your favourite settings for content, and why did you choose them?
I'd like to get a bit more of a handle on the surround and dsp modes on my v6a, and what exactly I'm getting from them!
I understand Pure Direct and Straight, and really what's happening with Auto, DSur, Neural X etc. I tend to not be someone who changes surround modes, I just like something that works. On my previous yammy avr I just pretty much left it on Auto.
But about 1/3 of what we watch is a particular FTA station that has a 2ch pcm signal, and when in Auto it selects DSur for it and we get vocal bleed into our surrounds which is highly annoying. So basically I just leave it all on DSP Standard, and am happy enough with that. In Standard it selects Neo 6 Cinema for this FTA channel and we get no bleed into the surrounds. Other channels that have DD it selects DD. I have no idea why Auto doesn't also pick Neo 6 for this station? In fact, I've never yet seen Auto select any other surround decoder other than DSur.
But I'm not sure what's really happening with things. For instance, in Standard when I watch something that includes Atmos the avr just says DD+. But if I switch to Straight or Auto (or DSur or Neural X) it says Atmos/DD+. I should mention that I'm not currently using height speakers (thought I have tested them), but I just want to get a proper understanding of what's going on.
I'm assuming when in Standard (or another DSP) it will expand the sound field to include all available speakers regardless of the original source. But I see that if the source includes Atmos that it still only says DD+ on the avr. But if Standard should expand to include all speakers, would it just be sending that atmos track out as it would in Straight or Auto? Or is it doing something else, or is it not reading the Atmos data at all?
I'm thinking of adding some Back Surrounds. If I was to select Straight, I'm assuming it wouldn't engage those if the input signal is only 5.1?
And with regards to Virtual Presence and Virtual Surround Back, if I'm using a DSP like Standard are those features functioning, or do I need to use Auto or DSur for those to be used? Are VP and VSB engaged on the yamaha dsp modes? I gather from years past when there was no atmos, and yamaha avr's had Front Presence speakers that you had to engage one of yamaha's dsp's for the FP speakers to be utilised?
I also increase the Dialog Volume by +2. We don't listen very loud, only in the -40 to -30 range and it really helps. But if I was to use a surround mode like Neural X, would the dialog volume adjustment still be used?
And last about me - I'm currently running a 5.1 system with my LR surrounds as in ceiling speakers. I tried atmos with them and using some normal surround speakers for the LRS, but my wife hated having speakers on stands in the room, so that idea was kyboshed. I'm considering two other options for those spare speakers - either a 7.1 system (I can mount them on a shelf approx 2.5mtrs behind the lounge, but only 2ft apart from each other) or using them as FP speakers. What would you recommend is going to give me the greatest benefit?
What are your favourite settings for content, and why did you choose them?