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Yamaha RX-V1400RDS vs. Denon AVR-3805

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by calvinhobbes, Oct 4, 2004.

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  1. calvinhobbes

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    Hi All

    Am ready to plunge into the Amp / Receiver market to power my Celestion AVP303 setup. The choice for under £800 seems to be the Denon (£789) vs the Yamaha (£500).

    Does anyone have any views on this? I am going to use mainly for movies, games from PC, some music and video upscaling.

    Cheers
     
  2. BrianC

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    The specs are very similar, only things in the Denons favour is:

    slightly more power, 10 watts RMS per channel
    an extra component input, 3 vs the yammys 2
    100 Mhz component inputs vs 60 Mhz inputs on the yammy, only a possible problem if running 1080i

    Obviously the amps sound different, I'd listen to both if you get the chance and make your own mind up if the price differenal isn't much of an issue.

    I would also consider the 2400 if the RMS output of the 1400 puts you off, the denon is same output as the 2400. The 2400 can be found for £699.
     
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    I would say the Yamaha will still beat the denon for movie ability and now they are even quite musical:smashin: Also look at the new 1500 that will be out soon or even better should be the 2400 at bargain basement prices :devil:
     
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    So the Yamaha is better at movies. What about the 60Mhz vs 100Mhz question - is it important?

    Also when is the 1500 out and how much of an improvement will it be over the 1400?
     
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    only if you plan on watching a 1080i source switched by the amp
     
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    Next month and very little, if any. Certainly not worth the £300 premium it'll cost you over the 1400 (now getting very thin on the ground though so don't hang around).
     
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    Does anywhere know where I can get the 1400RDS for £550 ish? As Super-Fi have sold out I'm in panic mode. I still have the fall back option of going for the DSP-AX740SE but have my sights on the 1400 (can't justify go up to the 2400).. I do like the idea of THX select, Component up conversion et al
     
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    You can get it for £400 in the AVforums Advertisements, from me. :p
     
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    Sounds great Scott Boy but I am particular and like to have things brand new... just a small obsession of mine... (a costly one I know!) Thanks for the nudge anyway.
     
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    why if u don't find the 1400 u will fall back to the 740 ,u should really go to the AX750 which have more options than the 1400 already like the great Pure Direct mode for stereo listing which i have on my RXV650 & sounds really good,also it's reviewd in HomeCinemaChoiceOnline & they said the Pure Direct mode is excellent & made the Yamaha have better quality stereo playback than Even Marantz ,Nad,HarmanKardon.

    read the review if it's still on there site,coz i don't know why but i can't find it anymore.
     
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    CosmicOne - Yes, the DSP-AX750SE does look like a good option. Would I be missing much with the absence of THX Select and a more basic version of YPAO if I go for this model? Do I need them?
     
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    Frnakly i don't listen to any THX amp ,but i many of the guys here that do will tell u that the THX is a markting tool only & don't offer any real differences,

    anyway also from reviews i read (on AudioHolics.com) that the more advanced YPAO on the 1400 & 2400in which it's only differnce that it includes EQ to all channels i read that i can really miss things up very bad also am confortable with my more easy YPAO version on my 650.

    last thing is that u must weight the Stereo advantage u gonna take with the new Pure Direct Mode (also found on their flagship Z9 & the new 1500 & 2500 ) against THX & YPAO EQ.
     
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    No you probably don't really need them.

    Whether THX is a marketing gimmick or not I do tend to listen to a lot of DVD's in THX as I prefer the sound.

    As to if you will miss the YPAO of the 1400; that really depends on your speakers, room and your ears. If your speakers are all perfectly matched and your room an ideal hoom theatre and/or your ears couldn't tell the difference then the basic version of the YPAO will be fine; if this isn't the case then you will definitely benefit from the more advanced YPAO.

    CosmicOne is correct in that if you just run the auto setup then it may not set things optimally (not sure about the mess things up very bad though); however this is the same for the basic version of YPAO - it's just that the basic version has less to setup. Whichever version of YPAO you end up with you should still check the speaker distances manually and the speaker levels with an SPL meter.

    With the advanced YPAO you should also check the speaker equalisation - this can be set manually; the 650/750 has no facility to adjust speaker equalisation at all.

    I'm not too sure what the difference between Pure Direct Mode and the Direct Mode found on the 1400 is. The Direct Mode on the 1400 turns off all sound processing, disables the LFE channel and switches off the video circuit so I would have though that is the same as Pure Direct Mode.

    I auditioned the 1400 and 750 and the 1400 was better than the 750 in both stereo and surround; that's not to say that the 750 is bad, but the 1400 is definitely a better performer.
     
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    ktng,

    the Direct mode on the 1400 & 2400 & all other older Yamaha models,only BYPASS DSP's & video section,while the New Pure Direct Mode SHUTS them DOWN not only bypass them(also shuts downs the amp screen),& that makes the signal clearer & better & i think u should reaudition the 1400 & 750 espicially in stereo but with the Pure direct mode on the 750,coz in the days of the 1400 & 2400 every body & every review say they were great for movies but not as good as for example Marantz in music but with the new 650 & 750 when PureDM is on they say it surpassed Marantz in musicality.
     
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    CosmicOne,

    You will note from my signature that I already own the 1400, so have no need/wish to re-compare the 1400 with the 750. As I stated I did audition the 1400 and 750 in surround and stereo (both with dsp and their respective direct modes) and the 1400 was superior on each.

    The 1400 and 650/750 are in different budget ranges and the reviews of the 1400 would have been comparing them with units in the £700-£900 range; the 650/750 would have been compared to units in the £350-£500 range and also probably against the 640/740 and all reports indicate that the stereo performance of the n50 range is superior to the n40 range; I can't comment on comparison between 750 and other models in the price range as I didn't listen to them. I did compare the 1400 with the Denon 3805 and although the Denon was marginally better I didn't feel that it was worth the extra (£200 when I was looking).
     
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    Well I have just gotten a 2400 - my previous AMp was a Denon A1D - a previous flagship model and an amp which set me back £2000 when I got it as new

    Have to say that (and I only listen to movies, no interest in music etc) that I can not tell the difference between the two with the exception that NOW bass seems tighter and more controlled and effects are steared much better
     
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    when u listen to stereo on the 750 did u use the "Straigh Effect" like the one found on the 1400 or are u sure u used the Pure Direct Mode that lights a Blue lamp inside the pure direct mode button & the display shuts off???

    I know sound is very subjective thing & each person have his/her opinion on sound but from what i read everyone here on this forums & on other forums & on reviews when asked to comapre the 1400/2400 Stereo performace to otheres (esp Marantz) they say that Yamaha is better in Surround but not as good in stereo(Ask forum member "Dfour" how owns a Yammy 1400),but with the release & reviews of the 750 with the Pure direct mode (not ordinary direct mode or straight effect mode like on 1400/2400) they say it's stereo performace surpassed Marantz,Nad,HarmanK.

    Also the review was against a NAD T573 & HK Avr330 which costs 600UK pounds.

    Dude i really want to know for experiance coz am not an Audipphille atall,What did u hear in the 1400 that u find better than the 750 in both Surround & stereo???
     
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    CosmicOne,

    Well I auditioned the 750/1400 about 4 months ago so exact details like whether there was a blue light on are a faded memory I'm afraid. As I said I listened to both with their respective Direct modes, so if the 750 has a Pure Direct Mode and a Direct Mode I may have listened to it in just Direct Mode, but I didn't listen to either in Straight Effect for the stereo comparison.

    I'm not sure my listening comparison is valid for you as the DSP-AX750 is different to the RX-V750 (ie more than just missing a tuner), which in turn is different to the RX-V650 that you have. However to me the RX-V1400 was in a class above the DSP-AX750 - both stereo and surround had a little more detail and better separation/steering; I suppose you could say it was a little more refined. The DSP-AX750 also suffered a similar problem I had with my previous Yamaha receiver in that at high volume it sounded a little bit harsh - not as bad as my previous receiver, but it was there nontheless. My RX-V1400 doesn't suffer from this - well it may do above 0 Db, but I haven't taken it there yet as that as 0 Db is more than loud enough to annoy my neighbours and deafen me into the bargain :D

    I seem to remember getting direct advice from Dfour and looking at a number of his posts when I was initially looking at replacing my receiver. From what I remember Dfour was pretty positive about the performance in both stereo and surround. There are certainly lots of happy RX-V1400 owners on this forum and that definitely includes me :thumbsup:
     
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    thanx man for ur reply i really appreciate it & am very happy that u are happy with ur equepment coz that's what we are doing is all aobut,to get what we are happy with.
     
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    I second what Ktng has said. Users like Dfour and Ktng make this forum such a decent online community. BTW - my 1400 is mint, both surround and stereo. The only thing I wish I had from the new 1500 is the remote! It looks a little easier to use, and nice blue buttons - god I'm sad....maybe a touch screen remote is my next "upgrade"....... :devil:
     
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    Ahh your making me :blush: Im just glad I can help and appreciate the help, advice and info I get from others :smashin:
     
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    I'll second that, but I definitely get a lot more help and advice from here than I give :thumbsup:
     
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    and me :blush:
     

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