Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by bobbypunk, May 7, 2004.
Firstly is it any good?, spec sounds good to me.
And one more question who actually makes it?
The Yamaha PDM-4210 is a Fujitsu P42HHA30 clone.
Just like the one you're sending back, then dvd? Your plasma adventures are enough to fill a novel already, let's hope your next choice gives you satisfaction.
He should of listened to yiou maw
The P42HHA30 dose not have a selector box or AVM plus.
why should i listen to MAW,anything he says is always negative and sometimes it borders on bitterness
Has anyone actually taken the plunge with the Yamaha?
I'm looking for a 42" Plasma with a short list as follows;
1) Pioneer PDP-435XDE (Concerns that picture quality may not be the best when compared with the 434 according to reviews. Also, seen a few threads on here about 'buzzing' from the screen on 434, so am concerned about quality).
2) Sony 42XS1 (Not overly impressed with the picture, but main problem is that it does not accept a PC card from a digital camera, where the Pioneer and Panasonics do).
3) Yamaha PDM-4210 (Shop recommended due to longevity. Also, like the 'minimalist' frame around the screen).
My priorities are;
> Good picture! (preference is bright and sharp)
> Accepts a memory card from a digital camera (CF Type I ???) ***any idea if there is an alternative way to hook up a generic card reader to a TV taht does not have a card slot, simply to view JPEGs from a Digital Camera?
> As nice looking as possible (which is why I'm not interested in a Panny Viera).
That's about it!
The generic solution is to connect a PC. All of the above panels are limited in some way, by being bundled up as a TV basically. If you wand serious funky functionality with no drawbacks, you need to custom build yourself a system based around a HD panel, and stuff the cost. Not as bad as you think though, £6k including a PC, surround and install would cover it.
PS DVD if you are still following it, I see you've got yourself a top screen now, must be something I said.
Thanks for the advice!
Neck on the block, which woul you go for?!?!?!
Neck on the block, I can no longer argue with Mr DVD, who has got the MXE-1 Pioneer. But the Pansonic HD panel is very fine too, and the new 7 series has such interesting functions being added, personally I will be getting one of those. But the picture is very much a matter of taste between these 2, best have a look before comitting yourself.
I've had a look at all of them, but in all the shops I've visited (JL, Hi-Spek), I've seen the sets, but never all of them side by side. The closest was in JL Brent Cross, where they had the Sony, Pioneer and Panny in a cinema room. For me, the Pioneer did have the best picture (basically brighter), but I wasn't convinced that the other TV's had the appropriate contrast / brightness settings.
Same thing in Hi-Spek, where the Yamaha was opposite a window so looked a little dim. However, the picture seemed nice and crisp.
Overall, the slightly bigger size and less intrusive frame of the Pioneer (plus ability to read CF cards) is my preferred route, but I still have this niggling doubt over complaints with buzzing noise. I saw a 435FDE in JL yesterday, but there was no noticeable buzzing, the black frame seemed of a reasonable quality (unlike observations made by some) and the picture looked great. However, I heard that JL won't be stocking XDE's so, I'll have to go elsewhere. HiSpek is only about 10 miles away from me, but they are not sure how many sets they will receive before Christmas.
So, still hunting!!!
Dem - I do wonder how many folk get fed bo**ocks by 'HiFi Shops' moving into Home Theatre!
As others have said the Yamaha PDM-4210 is an ALIS panel so its based around Hitachi/Fujitsu Interlaced technology which opens a whole can of worms and some very long threads about the relative merits of using an Interlaced panel to display Progressive sources.
As for the Longevity advice that's a complete Red Herring - if you look at Hitachi/Fujitsu specs you actually have to be careful with contrast and brightness setting as they seem to have a steep decline in phosphor life if you drive them past a certain point on there luminance output graph.
If you like the 'look' of the Image the Yamaha produces then its a good panel for you - personally I've never been as convinced by an ALIS Interlaced panel over say a Pioneer or Panasonic Progressive HD panel; oddly enough Yamaha are still using Panasonic glass in there 50" Display (as they did in previous generation 42" Displays).
As for in-built features on PlasmaTV (with Media Box) and Integrated Plasma TV (everything in the chassis of the screen) you have to keep in mind that not all products are created equal - for example I've had a few 'power user' Digital Camera aficionados complaining about the type of Card Reader Pioneer integrate into the HDE (and I presume XDE) PlasmaTV models we supply; the card reader does a great job for most folk but for some its not as flexible in terms of file size and file type compared to a stand alone card reader hooked to a Plasma Display model.
If you want flexibility then I'd advocate a Display model such as the Panasonic TH-42PHD7B or the Pioneer MXE1 - you get fantastic images on both units; you can add an external Video Processor to enhance your SD and HD signals and you can add any number of external PC and Video devices to give you a fully featured Media Centre.
Myself and others have more than enough experience to build/guide you towards a fully featured/functioning Media Centre built around a 'plain vanilla' Plasma Display that will be way more flexible than any of the PlasmaTV or Integrated PlasmaTV models on the market; multi purpose user centric systems are what we build on a daily basis for our corporate customers so its not new to have a wish list that includes Video Editing, Digital Image manipulation, Productivity Software display and SD and HD Video playback.
Any questions please shout.
Well put, Joe, as always. The Pioneer I've suggested is not the XDE model, they are problematic in complex installs, great for a stand alone TV. They do look great, but you'll need a specialist plasma shop to find the 2 models Joe and I are suggesting, and installed examples of the kit to accopmany them. Where are you, we'll send you to someone who can help.
Joe / Maw,
Thanks very much again for the information / advice.
I have to say that first and foremost, picture quality is top of the list in the set (so far, only the Pioneers have impressed with a bright vivid picture, but I do stress that this might have just been poor brightness / contrast settings on the other sets at the time of viewing).
Money is not the issue, but value is! So, if we can get a better set-up by buying a more basic panel (but with higher PQ), then adding card readers, digi-boxes etc., this would be my preferred route.
I'm in Barnet, North London (Herts officially).
PS: I just don't like the styling of the Panasonic, so have crossed it off the list despite the fact that it is the logical choice!!!
The MXE model Pioneer has not got that piano black surround I'm afraid. So styling may be an issue for you. The pioneer is not identical to panasonic, who's 'panel only' bezel is kind of square and straight, but conceptually it's similar. It comes down to whether you will accept the trade off in styling for the increased flexibility and functionality that can be built in to the system. I'm about 500 miles nearer than Joe, I'd be happy to show you some toys some time, and Joe, I'll be in touch V. soon, re. Pioneer.
Thanks again guys - I'll do a bit more investigating and let you know what I think is my preferred direction!
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