XF9005 Or B7 (or something else)

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  1. dUnKle

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    Needing a new Tv and have a shortlist of the above two.

    Have heard pretty much zero bad comments about the LG and aware of the off axis issues of the Sony

    However a huge amount of my viewing is done under daytime / bright conditions (long gone are the days of being able to have my own cave)

    The off axis issues does worry me though as current viewing conditions are such that whilst I pretty much always sit smack center the layout of room is such the people can sit along the side of l shaped sofa or even on floor

    So confused as to what would be my best bet

    Ideally wanting something that’s as least as “bright” as Samsung KS7000
     
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    B7 is far away the best option. It won’t go as bright as a KS with specular highlights but it’s far superior contrast and dimming will more than make up for that and it’s real world brightness is good.

    I’d go for the B7 over the Sony and any Samsung models.
     
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    And would that be ok in a proper bright front room.
     
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    Should of added reason looking at these two is I have an Apple TV so really want Dolby vision support
     
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    Cheers
    Seems to be a rare tv in that cant seem to find much bad about it
    Will try find more about its brightness
     
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    Seeing as there's a lot of people recommending the OLED ( which btw is a great tv ) , i'll play devils advocate to make your life a little harder lol.

    I'll just throw x motion clarity into the mix here, its a game changer for motion , the LG can't get close to the Sony for motion

    Also , in terms of brightness i'd say there's a pretty big difference between the two , even if you're not using HDR .. check this out

    XF90 -
    SDR Sustained 100% Window: 630 cd/m2

    B7 - SDR Sustained 100% Window : 140 cd/m2... even if you take this to 50% its
    SDR Sustained 50% Window: 394 cd/m2...

    Sony is by far... far.. brighter for everyday use
     
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    Indeed the LCDs are brighter but OLED brightness is not going to be the problem its made out to be, not unless you plan on watching a lot of Ice Hockey or Snowy nature documentaries during the day anyway.

    A nominal level of calibrated SDR brightness for people is around 130nits.

    X-motion clarity is indeed a good feature to have, as is the smooth gradation on the Sony. One area the LG lacks also is dark frame insertion but you can always go for a Panasonic or Philips OLED if you want better motion.

    The Sony will also have a lot more motion blur as its an LCD.
     
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    Current set is a ks7000 and one thing I’m happy with is the brightness. Before that it was a Panasonic g10 (plasma). Picture on that was brilliant but never bright enough unless on rare occasion I could close curtains and black room out

    Seventy five percent of my viewing is in a bright front room

    I’d not want anything much dimmer than the Samsung.

    I’ve not been able to replicate the room brightness in any stores to really tell a difference
     
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    This limits your choice to TVs like the Sony XE9305 or Samsung Q7F/Q7FN and higher then.
     
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    So even the 9005 is “dimmed”
     
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    Yes, the Q7 can't get as bright either.

    But like I said, it's not important for SDR performance unless for some reason you have your backlight high with SDR.

    To give you an example, I have a bright living room with a TV capable of 1500 nits HDR similar to your Samsung. When 1500 is 100% brightness my SDR brightness is 28 during the day and 10 at night. Scaling /100%.

    An OLED probably wouldn't be too dim for you either, it may only reach 700 nits bright and have more aggressive ABL but likely you won't notice it. Even if you do other improvements will more than make up for it.
     
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    Having gone from a KS to a Q7, the Q7 is plenty bright enough. The stepped improvement comes via the colour gamut in league with the brightness. HDR is more controlled too.

    I noticed a marked improvement with Planet Earth especially.

    Edit: This is not to do down the KS. I loved mine, but damn thunderbugs got it.
     
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    I agree, the Sony will also be plenty bright too and an OLED even so I would imagine, can you get a dark room demo somewhere?
     
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    Cheers guys
    I guess I want something that in my room will look every bit as good as the ks7000

    This is how it looks currently

    So you can see is bright front room with light from all angles.
    Lack of Dolby vision and few future proofing issues aside the current tv gives a great picture. So would want something equally as good
     

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    Do you have the sources to allow for a relatively easy change to fully integrate DV? (Not inc TV change)
     
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    Yeah. My primary source of viewing for movies is Apple TV
     
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    If there’s a Richer Sounds near you I’d arrange a demo of both models. Samsung and Panasonic out as no DV support.
     
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    I don't think that room is too bright for an OLED at all. They have good anti reflection filters.

    If you go LCD then there's the Sony XE9305 (hard to find now) or new XF9005 (currently quite overpriced as it's just been released).
     
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    Cheers.
    Then Panasonic g10 previously had. For many a year was a great tv but was no good when I had room as in picture above and guess just concerned similar be true for the OLED
     
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    No it's really not. OLEDs are more than bright enough. Plasma TV's peak brightness was a problem in bright rooms but HDR has pushed brightness more than high enough on OLEDs.

    The only time you may have a problem with OLED brightness is if the screen needs to be 100% white and even then it will be more than twice as bright as a plasma.
     
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    Cheers. May have to perhaps try and get them turn lights up in store for a demo

    Think the b7 is certainly supposed to be the better picture overall
     
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    I just know if I buy OLED I'll get screen burn as I watch channels with high intensity dogs (Sky sports, Sky News, CNN etc etc) for long periods of time. Exactly why I never bought plasma. Am I wrong to stick with LED?
     
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    This was my reason for not buying OLED. As much as OLED owners assured me that they haven’t got screen burn, I know there is a potential for it and it would just be my luck to spend, what is to me, a significant amount of money only to find that a year down the line it had screen burn.

    If that wasn’t in the back of my mind, I’d go OLED. Until screen burn is categorically not possible, I’ll take the compromise of LED.
     
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    When you quote a post you can write your reply beneath it, no need to make two posts, one with a quote, the next with your reply :)

    Yes screen tickers on news channels are notorious for causing burn in but unless you know you watch a lot of news channels on a regular basis then it shouldn't be an issue.

    If you are someone who likes to switch on Sky news for an hour or two each morning every day then an OLED is not for you.

    But if you don't do it regularly and use the TV for other tasks too its not going to be a problem.

    Its up to you to judge whether you think your viewing habits of stationary images and tickers is repetitive enough to cause a problem.

    With burn it be it on OLEDs or Plasma before that it is just as much about how often you watch things rather than only how long you do, the panels will clear any retention automatically when the TV is off.
     
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    As regards 2 posts I'm afraid I've got a happy trigger finger! MUST try harder!

    You've confirmed an OLED is not for me
     

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