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  1. BigGEORDIE

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    does anyone know if the new xbox 360 will play the xbox games like halo 2 in high def. if it does , some of the old xbox games will look mint. :thumbsup: :D
     
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    I know not all games support hi def but there are some that do . At least this time we wont need it modded to get the best picture
     
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    Its backawards compatible with "Big" titles. Halo 2 is a certainty.
     
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    Given the difficulty in making the console backwards compatible I would think that only the major first-party titles such as the Halo and PGR series will be compatible. However, there’s still no offical word from MS about this.
     
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    I thought there had been official word. MS say that there goal is for every Xbox game to be playable, although this may not be possible. It'll certainly be far more than just a minority of first party titles though.
    http://gamesradar.msn.co.uk/news/default.asp?pagetypeid=2&articleid=35991&subsectionid=1586

    Don't forget though, the original question wasn't if the games will be backwards compatable, but if old games will be playable in hi-def. Personally, I would expect games that support hi-def to play in hi-def but not necessarily any others.

    Is anyone really interested in backwards compatability though? I think far too much of it is made by some people. How many PS1 games have you played on PS2? I know when I have a shiny new console, I tend to want to play the shiny new games and not the old ones.
     
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    I wasn't aware of that, thanks for the info!
     
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    My PS2 is constantly playing PS1 games - thanks mainly to my 4 year old son ! The games are as cheap as chips - although admittedly, they look pants nowadays. Not that a 4 year complains about jaggys, poor textures, low resolutions ! And when the PS3 comes around he'll still be able to play them & the PS2 games we have collected along the years. So quite important for parents / kids who don't have to fork out £50 for new PS3 games.... :thumbsup:
     
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    Fair enough. :D
     
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    I wonder if the 360 will upscale existing 480p games to a kind of fake 720p? Will the 360 actually output 480p?

    It's an interesting point as we could see a similar type of improvement to that of Bleem (if folk remember that) where PS1 games could be run on say a Dreamcast with improved graphics. Naturally detail wouldn't improve as such but the images should be able to look a lot sharper.
     
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    I actually have Bleemcast for Metal Gear solid for the DC. The improvements are amazing.
     
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    i was under the impression you needed a high def TV to be able to see HD dispite what the new consoles show.

    Is this right??

    Mickey
     
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    Generally yes, although you can get scalers (some devices have them built in) which scale say a 720p image to fit a 480p resolution and this still looks pretty good (although obviously isn't a patch on true 720p). You do need a HD screen or PJ to correctly appreciate the HD image though.
     
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    With all this talk of HD I’m cursing my impatience at the end of last year, buying a SD plasma! :mad: :nono:
     
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    lets be honest Tejstar.....

    ..... How many people acctually DO have an HD screen. I mean your looking at over 2k in price at mo.

    This is an AV forum too and id syill imagin the majority here have standard screens at least for the next few years.
    Id imagine in the real world where people arnt such techno entusiasts it will be 5 to 10 years before the avarage bloke with kids and mortgage etc gets around to buying an HD screen.

    My point, people with SD screens are far from being in the minority at the moment. I like you bought a standard screen last year(panny pwd6)

    It cost me a grand less than panys PHD7 offering out now making it still a fantastic buy.

    No matter what, the graphics will still be better than this generations consols.
    So Enjoy what you have fella and dont be thinking about whats out next to the dimiss of what you allready have just because of markiting hype.
     
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    You can get HD ready sets for far less already, and the prices are dropping weekly. Have a browse throught the LCD forum, and see you can pick up perfectly good 32" LCD sets with DVI or HDMI and component inputs that can run 720p for about £800-900. It's niche at the moment, but come next year, when Sky HD, the PS3 and the 360 are about, it'll start becoming talked about even more.
     
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    hi mate,

    for some reason i bthink of a plasma screen as a 42". I wouldn't want a smaller screen personally when im paying "big bucks"

    I am guessing this may be what tejstar has too as he mentioned plasma and not lcd.

    for a decent make HD plasma 42" its around 2 grand+

    I would rather have my big plasma than an avarage size LCD HD or not -again IMO

    Mickey
     
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    I bought a SD PJ 6 months ago but have just upgraded to a HD Sanyo Z3 given the recent price drop to £850 (including extra free £300 bulb!).

    As I mentioned in another thread, people won't start buying HD screens until the content is available. As Munkey says, with the 360, PS3 and Sky HD coming out over the next year you will see HD screen sales increase considerably.

    I'd guess that most people on this forum who buy a 360 will get an HD screen/PJ to go with it - especially considering the tumbling prices.
     
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    But HD does not necessarily mean big screen plasma. I've got my lovely Pioneer 43" HD plasma already, but this is used more for film watching in the living room. In fact mostly it gets used for watching Big Brother by the missus at the moment (sigh - what a waste).

    So I still play my games on a 36" SD CRT, but I'm going to trade to a 32" HD LCD before the 360 arrives. So infact I'm trading off the loss in screensize to get a better image quality and create more room (36" CRTs are huge!).

    I know what you mean about wanting to do it right and go at least 42" if it's going to be your main screen which may be used for all kinds of HD applications. But my point is that smaller screen (32"-37") SD CRTs are not much cheaper than low-end HD Ready displays of the same screen size already, and they're getting cheaper all the time. It may happen sooner than you think...
     
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    with all this talk about getting a hi def plasma for the xbox 360 it got me wondering about the screen burn problem, is this not as bad a problem on newer plasmas because lcd does not have a problem with screenburn.
     
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    LCD's and Plasma's are two different things, therefore whether it's a problem or not on newer plasma's has little to do with LCD's not having a screenburn problem. I think that screen burn is an inherrent problem of Plasma screens although I think you have to leave a static image on screen for some time (although i'm not 100% on this so probably best to check the Plasma forums). I'm pretty sure that LCD is OK as they have been used for laptop and computer screens for ages without problem. Essentially they work by a small electric current turning on and off the small crystals in the screen whilst a back light illuminates the image. So when the current is removed the crystals revert to their off position.
     
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    The point I am making is a lot of peaple are forgetting about the screenburn issue. I mean you still get warned about on screen logos. the problem is not as bad with film or tv but were talking about static computer images here, I know if I payed a few grand for a plasma and ended up with screenburn after playing games I would not be a happy bunny. it obviously is still a problem when it is not covered by your guarantee. To take out extra insurance for this your talking about £200 a year. Lcd tvs do not have this problem
     
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    Personally i'm not really a fan of Plasma screens anyway and would go for LCD if I wanted a flat panel TV. I'm more of a projector man when it comes to gaming and movies - nothing comes close to a good projector IMO. :smashin:

    I guess if you go for a plasma then you just have to be aware of problems such as screen burn and make sure that you don't leave static screens on for too long.
     
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    I too have a projector and thats why I am hoping for full backwards compatibilty of xbox games on the 360. we were robbed of hi def on the xbox. Backwards compatibilty would put things right.
     
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    I dont think its going to be fully backwards compatible but they are talking about compatability with the top AAA titles, the Likes of Forza, Halo 2, Jade Empire that sort of stuff.
     
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    He's not talking about if it's backwards compatable, he's talking about will it output old games in hi-def.

    You're wrong about the backwardly compatable bit anyway, you make it sound like it will only be a fraction of games that will run, when in reality it'll only be a fraction of the games that won't run. See my earlier post on this in reply to your earlier post.

    The other thing is that I'm led to believe that the back compatability is being achieved by software, which means that if there are problems, there is a definate possibility of upgrades to the emulator that is being used.

    As for the 360 outputting Xbox games in hi-def, then surely it'll only output the ones that suppoted it anyway? If all games are output at 720p, then they'll be upscaled and might not look much better anyway.
     
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    I was told by wifey yesterday that I can’t replace the plasma before next xmas. :(

    Well at least it’ll be in time for PS3. :)

    Hopefully there’ll be some true 1080p screens out by then, maybe.
     
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    :eek: Am I the only northener here??? Are all you rich 100k a year plus Londoners or just single with no kids and no life??

    Whilst Plasmas ARE coming down in price there by no means cheap!!!
    Cheap to me is something I can go out and buy straight away.
    Well Im sorry but I dont carry 2 grand on my hip just incase I need any spare cash

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    I can picture it now - Parent to child -
    "Whats that Little Timmy?"
    "You'd like a new xbox 360 thats around £300."
    "Yeah no sweat timmy, anything else??"
    "ohh what was that timmy?? You'd like a new HD TV to go with your Xbox 360?"
    "Why of course timmy, why don't we all get one each, what a great idea!!"
    "WOW - its only costing us 2 and a half K timmy"

    Are you all for real?????? :suicide:

    Can anyone here lend me a grand if money is no object?? :thumbsup:

    I aint skint, I earn a good wage including my lass's over 35k and I still cant believe how you all go on like this gear is worth £20 and something you'd pick up on the way to the shop.

    Never can I see the day when I go out to buy an allready expensive next gen consol and accidentally buy an HD screen to go with it.


    Come on then, theres my forcefull views - give it me back!! Im ready for the lot of ya :) ;) :D
     
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    I agree with the bulk of what your saying mickey. but its amazing how a little publicity and peer pressure makes us feel 1-2K is a reasonable price for a telly. In the old days tvs were not that pricey and lasted 10 years or so. I spose its motly to do with how much spare cash people have these days and its more than its ever been.
    Most people on this forum are young men with disposable income, some have young families. it's not unusual for people to spend a few grand on their hobbies, but one wouldnt expect joe public to splash out on a hd display just for the 360/ps3.
     
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    :D Quality rant mate! You are definitely not the only northerner here ;) And I'm not single, but it's true I don't have kids to drain my wallet yet... I mentioned the affordability of HD ready screens, as they are nearly as cheap as their CRT ancestors now. How much does a 32" CRT cost, roughly £500, while an HD Ready 32" LCD is now about £800. Not too much difference there...

    You seem to mention 42" plasmas like that's what we mean by HD. That's not the case (well, not for me anyway). Yes, half decent 42" plasmas do still cost at least £2,000, but you can get a smaller screen size for much less. When your average punter goes out to buy a TV next year, they will look at LCDs as being affordable for equivalent screen sizes.

    This is a specialist AV forum, so the people that visit tend to be males with some disposable income - not a true representation of society. We pay more for our AV equipment, as we value what it can do for us more than your average Joe and see it as enhancing our entertainment, not just something that shows TV.
     
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    **Off Topic***I too am a northerner from Yorkshire. Whilst I have a very soon to be wife I do not yet have any kids which may explain why I can afford to buy the odd bit of AV equipment. I am on a pretty limited budget though as I started up a business with someone just over a year ago so I too can't just go out and buy a £2k plasma with my spare change.

    I also used to go out loads and drink and smoke a lot. I quit smoking just over 2 years ago (the kind of strange sensible thing you do when you approach the big 30) and I don't go out half as much now. That has released a fair bit of the old disposable income I guess. Then again I chucked in a £30k a year job to start this business and i'm earning no where near that yet.

    I guess everyones situation is different and I don't think that you have to be that well off to have an interest in AV as you can make good informed purchases no matter what your budget.
     

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