Would you buy an EV for the long term?

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    1. DELUCAS

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      I did list electricity as a cost on my list
      Repair costs is not an issue for me ( Access to Workshop Free )
      Trouble free battery as qtee 8 years
      So just the basic stuff to contend with .

      I have several cars so ins is not a issue and most who go electric would still have a second petrol / diesel car for long commutes .

      As i said for me it would work out and my costs would drop
      And id imagine i would get rid of some other cars which are costing me with engine issues .
       
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      Got my deposit down for a Tesla Model 3, I work walking distance from a supercharger and rarely do long journeys just daily commute of 30 miles round trip and average about 200 miles per week so should get along ok with a full charge once per week. Really looking forward to it just a shame its a bit of a wait for them to reach our shores.
       
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      Most if not all tanks are made of plastic now ....
       
    4. DELUCAS

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      True
      But still millions with metal tanks about .......
      The point is that going battery Electric i listed some items that would no longer be req to changed as in Exhaust , fuel pump which resides in a metal or plastic tank .
      No longer req a metal / plastic fuel tank !
      Another expense to not worry about to be changed .
      If you go Battery Electric .
       
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      Expenses change,that is all. There will ba other things to worry about instead, and probably issues we have yet to think about. Replacement batteries, motor repair should they burn out, IT faults. Let's hope the OS is not designed by Microsoft or we will be seeing a red screen of death.
       
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      You will, at some point, have to change the battery pack on an EV, and that will be very expensive.
      Swings and roundabouts.

      It's worth noting that an annual service on a Tesla is about £500 a year (£1,500 on a 3 year plan). That's far in excess of anything I've ever owned.
       
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      Battery pack is on average 8 year gtee peace of mind .
      Petrol engine and other components attached to it very expensive over 8 year period .

      The so called drive unit on the electric car to be serviced etc
      Petrol car gearbox rear axle service

      Battery car ecu etc expense
      Petrol cars ecu expense .

      The rest of the two cars replacements parts wipers , brakes / discs . tyres etc be about the same on the two cars .

      The main expense / service on a petrol car is the huge maintenance cost on the engine .

      A battery which is the main power plant ( engine / fuel )
      Has 8 year trouble free maintenance

      It either works or dont and if its the latter back to main agent for a replacement free under warranty .

      Dont think engines have a 8 year warranty . ;)
       
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      Many cars are going the warranty route. Some are up to 7 years now.

      EV is not the rosy thing you seem to think. The high additional outlay is the big one at the moment. Some companies such as Nissan are reducing their service costs as a sweetener, others like Tesla are not with high service costs. The cost of motoring will continue to rise whatever technology is under the bonnet.
       
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      I look at whats likely to breakdown / cost more over a period of time
      And engine with hundreds of moving components ?

      Over a 8 year period .

      Or a battery pack ?

      Over a 8 year period .
       
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      None of my petrol cars has broken down or required anything more than standard servicing in the first 8 years of their lives. As above it was far less expensive than servicing a Tesla.

      Sort of on topic. If I lived in on a small island, like the OP, I'd definitely have an EV. At present, there is no suitable EV which has the range I want, at the price I want, in the size I want.

      One day, there will be, then I'll get one.
       
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      You need to look at overall ownership over a period such as that. I drive 35k per year these days, down from the past. I change car every 2 years as I have a company car. After 8 years, anything made of rubber such as mounts and suspension bushes are usually perished. High mileage cars there is bodywork, suspension, state of interior etc to look at all adding to depreciation. With an 8 yr old car, the power unit is the last thing many worry about to that end, deprecation comes from other areas. With an EV with batteries that are at the end of warranty people will worry so I am 100% sure depreciation will be high.

      I am also sure any industry that grows up doing battery replacement will need to be heavily regulated. That much energy stored in a small space is an explosion risk. Patent replacements will need to be as good quality as the original. Nobowould want ebay replacement batteries of that capacity in their cars, but you can bet some dealers will replace with the worst el-cheapo cells they can find, unless there is heavy regulation.
       
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      With windows os its the blue screen of death .
       
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      Real world evidence suggest Tesla battery packs are likely to out last the rolling chassis. Cars in the US are over 5 years old now and some racking up crazy miles, am not aware of any packs been replaced due to degredation.

      Tesla servicing is priced at a level expected of the list price. You DON'T need to service the car to maintain the 4 year warranty.
       
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      About the same as my AMG, and the Tesla is actually quicker :)
       
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      All cars depreciate some more than others a vw transporter after a year plus got quoted £20.000 to buy back !
      Meaning he lost £20.000 .
       
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      And less polluting to . ;)
       
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      Possibly - I'd love to see a total cost on ownership on that one. When I had a Prius before our Mercedes GLS AMG I read the reports on how a Humvee was actually less polluting. Which convinced me to get the anti Prius :p

      But agree from a sound perspective the Tesla is definitely less polluting, that AMG engine is fast and loud with a nice deep rumble. It scares young children and old people, and makes car alarms go off :) Brings out the inner child....

      But don't get me wrong, its not the future. I really want to go Tesla, just can't convince my wife. I'm still 'paying' for letting her drive a Prius for 3 years #firstworldproblems
       
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      Have you taken her out in a 'P' badge Tesla at all? The P85D with insane mode on is the quickest real world road car I've ever driven or sat in by some margin. On a twisty B road the way it catapults you from one corner into another is mind blowing, and to be 100% honest far too much power/speed for my driving skills.

      I actually turned off insane mode for most trips I did in the P85D, it was just too quick! If I actually owned a 'P' Tesla for any length of time I'm pretty sure I would end up either in jail or in a ditch......Clearly if you have more self control/driving skill than me it wouldn't be an issue.

      The current P100D cars are even quicker than the P85D, I cannot imaging how owners don't end up losing their license, the accelerative force available really is mind boggling and it's so easy to access.
       
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      5 years is not a long time, and it does not change the fact that the battery will have to be changed at some point, does it?

      I would not want to drive a car for 5 years without anyone looking at the moving parts, ICE or EV powered.
       
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      It does if the rolling chassis falls apart before the battery pack. 5 years isn't long but real world data is coming in, and current projection estimate the battery pack will still be working at 80% efficiency after 500K miles. When was the last time you drove a combustion car with 500K miles on the clock?

      Even at this point there is huge amount of life in the pack. 80% charge in a 75kWh Tesla battery pack = 60kWh, which is still more than double the amount of capacity in a brand new 30kWh 2017 Nissan Leaf.

      Even at 50% efficiency the pack would work really well in a grid storage capacity for many years. Battery degradation really isn't an issue, there are Priuis running around with tiny batteries which are still working after a decade of use.

      Tesla battery data shows path to over 500,000 miles on a single pack
       
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      I know, however.....The S is too 'businessmen like', the X is too ugly....The 3 becomes a possibility....Remember it is female logic that I'm having to deal with....

      Grand plan is that she wouldn't mind a smaller car, well that is what she said one day now our girls are going to schools in different town. I would then take the AMG as my daily driver, then will swap to an S with a P :) as our main family car...But then realistically the plan to downsize changed, and my better half would prefer it if they did an EV version of the Mercedes GLS...Go figure...

      I'm pretty good, but even after all those years I've not mastered female logic beyond just giving in....
       
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      There is a Battery powered car - Rimac Concept One - that smashes a La Ferrari
      And leaves it for dust if you want power .

      Google you tube !
       
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      I've never driven a car where the rolling chassis won't last more than a few years...

      Hopefully the "proper manufacturers will be able to do better than Tesla at building their cars.

      To reiterate, as this part seems to be escaping you at present as your Tesla glasses seem only to be sensitive to criticism, I do look forward to owning an EV in future, they will make a huge amount of sense for my circumstances eventually. Just not yet.

      I really admire what Tesla has done by showing that an EV is viable, and can be fast, too, if not particularly luxurious. Now that the rest of the motor industry has seen what can be done, I expect there will be a lot of choice at prices and sizes I can an afford and which I want.
       
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      Lots of talk about EVs from everyone about developing EVs, but Mercedes have just killed off the only EV in their entire range.

      But get on twitter and let Mercedes know what you want.....CEO running the likes of Mercedes/Audi/BMW still don't like EVs (like a few forum members here), but they have to listen to customers :).

      Mercedes-Benz gets reality check from Tesla owners after asking fans if they want electric cars
       
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      They did a lot of development of hydrogen cars a while back....But hey we have time for Tesla to become pretty and others to catch up :)
       
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      Tesla the new Apple in cars

      And other manufactures have to do catch up .
      They have alredy dumped Hydrogen tech
      And going Electric

      But maybe for lorrys Hydrogen might be better ?
      Or a new tech on the Horizon

      Time will tell .
       
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      Not in a car, there is definitely a red screen on the head-windscreen interface when the OS crashes.
       
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      It seems so, given the cult like followers they seem to have (the replies to the Mercedes marketing twitter thing are particularly cringeworthy).

      I look forward to the reasonably priced, much better EVs to come.
       
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      Lets hope the Govt dont sting Electric car owners with a huge Electric tax as they see pertol tax revenue decline .

      But its the Govt they will .
       

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