Would you buy an EV for the long term?

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    1. Sep 10, 2017 at 7:59 PM
      EarthRod, Sep 10, 2017
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      On that note I've just spotted a dealer selling a 2014 (64 reg) Nissan Leaf Acenta 5-door auto hatchback in white for £10,495. Has 16,592 miles on the clock.

      Is that good?
       
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    2. Sep 10, 2017 at 8:05 PM
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      @DrPhil is probably the best person to ask about 2nd hand prices. One thing to check is how many times it's been "rogered" with a fast charge if you can get hold of that info.
       
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    3. Sep 10, 2017 at 8:07 PM
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      I wouldn't be an expert, but given that I bought a 14 Tekna with 4k miles for just £3k more than that 2 and a half years ago, I wouldn't think it's a great deal to be honest.
       
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    4. Sep 10, 2017 at 9:17 PM
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      I've know of Roger the Butcher, but never come across Roger the Leaf before :D

      Seriously, thanks for the info guys.
       
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    5. Sep 10, 2017 at 10:03 PM
      IronGiant, Sep 10, 2017
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      If you can hang on, the prices of all low range EV's will probably plummet as the new ones come out. Or people will realise that the elusive 200 mile budget car is not coming and realise that if you do 20 miles a day, you don't need it.

      Thinking about it the balloon payment on our car in 3 years time isn't far off that figure, could be a keeper as it will be one careful owner from new with a low mileage.
       
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    6. Sep 10, 2017 at 11:58 PM
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      A few years ago you could pick up a 3 year old Leaf for £8k!! But prices have since picked up, £10k is probably reasonable market price at the moment, however Nissans PCP deals on used Leafs are hard to ignore.

      Take a look at these offers, with an eligable 'scrapage' car your looking at £150/month with £500 deposit, and free home charger on a 3 year PCP deal.

      For Sale - LEAF PCP Offers - including Switch Trade-in Deals
       
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    7. Sep 11, 2017 at 11:26 AM
      IronGiant, Sep 11, 2017
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      We traded in a 2006 Scenic for peanuts, wouldn't have minded an extra £1000 off :( Mind you if you wait for the "best" deal you'd never buy anything :):)
       
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    8. Sep 11, 2017 at 11:49 AM
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      It's a shame those 'switch old banger deals' are only for diesel vehicles...I wish they did the same for an old V6 Petrol Quattro :)
       
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    9. Sep 11, 2017 at 12:27 PM
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      It's for any vehicle registered before 2009 that you've owned for more than 90 days, but only applies to second hand Leafs and some new ICE's Nissan Event | Nissan so wouldn't have been available for us after all :)
       
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    10. Sep 11, 2017 at 3:06 PM
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      Regarding fast charging effect on battery range, I thought I would mention how my 64 plate Leaf is holding up as it turns 3 soon and with over 50k miles on the clock it's probably one of the higher mileage examples for its age. For the first month or so it was punished with 100% - 15/20% runs while I was waiting for the ability to charge at work as I have an 80 mile round commute. Also over the first 1-2 years I used the services rapid chargers probably several times a week, and it is a 6kW model charged at full speed from home too though I stick to 80% charging both at home and at work for commuting purposes. If I suspect we're going out the way on a day off I may top it up to 100% to be safe.

      Despite all this I still have all the battery bars which I am very pleased with given my liberal use of highway fast charging and hitting the low battery warning (which admittedly kicks in at a quite high 20% remaining range) quite regularly. I remember when I first got it and reading EV/Leaf forums people were losing bars well before 50k in some cases - it's especially important to me as I plan to keep the car until it dies basically and I want as much usable range as possible for the lifespan of it.

      I believe they updated the battery to the "Lizard" chemistry for my model year which is a lot more resilient to degradation, temperature, fast charging etc. so that may be why it's doing quite well. I must admit the used prices bring tears to my eyes now though, oh how hindsight is a wonderful thing. :D :facepalm: I hope this helps out anyone who is thinking of a 2014 onwards Leaf anyway :thumbsup:
       
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    11. Sep 11, 2017 at 3:15 PM
      IronGiant, Sep 11, 2017
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      Useful, thanks...
       
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    12. Sep 12, 2017 at 3:52 AM
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      Coming out of Tesco's loaded down with shopping I spotted a white Leaf in the covered carpark. It was in pristine condition and the fluorescent lights in the parking area gave the car that showroom look. I pointed it out to the missus with my chin and casually said 'thinking of getting one of those'.

      My wife glanced at the Leaf and replied 'over my dead body'.

      I was going to expand on the advantages of EVs but the tone of her voice told me it would be a mistake so left it at that.

      She obviously didn't like the look of the Nissan Leaf and in her stressed state after a very crowded shopping spree was a bit curt.

      ...Oops. I blame my timing.
       
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    13. Sep 12, 2017 at 6:18 AM
      outoftheknow, Sep 12, 2017
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      Are you sure your chin was pointing at the Leaf? It wasn't parked next to a Suzuki Jimny by any chance was it? :D
       
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    14. Sep 12, 2017 at 7:37 AM
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      Show her the leaf II
       
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    15. Sep 12, 2017 at 7:51 AM
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      It's interesting to know why Nissan have sold their battery manufacturing plants now.
      Is there a reason for this?
       
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    16. Sep 12, 2017 at 7:59 AM
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      Yes, because it is a high capital business. Better for them and others to buy from a company dedicated to the high volume production of batteries, and in a cheaper area of the world. China really is ramping up this area of production and will be producing a huge proportion of the worlds batteries as a result. The rest of us don't care as we will be getting a cheaper product and all the industrial waste from production will not be on our doorsteps.
       
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    17. Sep 12, 2017 at 8:08 AM
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      Got a link to this story?
       
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      That great and makes sense but I take it the battery plant in Sunderland will stay put.
       
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    20. Sep 12, 2017 at 8:12 AM
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      It stays in Sunderland , can't say anymore though , possibly some more news this week ...
       
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    22. Sep 12, 2017 at 8:59 AM
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      Those battery packs weigh 250kg iirc and are quite a size when in their storage cradle , it makes loads of sense to make the battery's where the cars are built due to the logistics of sending them half way round the world , never mind the thought of a ship full of them sinking [emoji33][emoji33][emoji33]
       
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    23. Sep 12, 2017 at 10:22 PM
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      It might have been, but the Jimny is much better looking :)
       
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    24. Sep 13, 2017 at 11:53 AM
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      If the headlights are that shape to reduce the wind noise at the door mirrors, I wonder how they have addressed that in the II?
       
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    25. Sep 13, 2017 at 6:41 PM
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      Looks to me as though they have kept the headlight shape in the bonnet , at least to a degree ....
       
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      Ah yes, interesting. Dashboard layout is looking a lot more conventional too.
       
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      Just checked and I can get 22% off list price on any leaf for 'friends' and 'family' , it's showing the old model at the moment , not sure how that combines with any government discounts , can you still get £5k off then or not ? , if you can that would bring a 30kw tekna with 6.6 KW charger down to £16,600 .....
       
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      I always liked you old buddy old pal...
       
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      No, I'm his best buddy.
       
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      Can't remember how many codes I can get / year but it's more than one .....
       
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