GOM
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Matters little what BRAND when LG makes the panels.
Look for the software that controls the image.
Look for the software that controls the image.
I am not saying OLED Burn in doesn't happen it is just highly improbable as Consumer Reports Statistical Scientific Data would indicate by the fact that they never mention OLED Burn In as a significant issue to be concerned with.TV reviewers presumably get to test their TVs for two weeks and obviously not the two years it can take for an issue like this to arise.
Good example of my point. Some AVForum members say 100 percent and consumer reports data says it is not a significant issue. Asking a question about OLED BURN IN on AVForums is going to recruit these two extremes and everywhere in between so it is more of an entertaining BS session rather than somewhere your going to get a concrete answer.I personally know 5 people who have had 7 OLED TVs between them and all of them have had burn in or permanent image retention issues.
That's 100% for me so certainly much higher than probable.
Obviously i am aware not all OLED TVs sold suffer from these issues.
It took Xbox a while to acknowledge the RROD on Xbox 360 and then even longer to sort it out and that was affecting nearly 25% of all first Gen Xbox 360s.
Do richer sounds have your back with burn in? I have bought a lg c9 from them a few months ago with their 6 year warranty. Bit worried it is worthless if they don't cover it..
No one provides cover for Burn in. John Lewis offer a Domestic and General accidental damage cover that claims to cover for burn in...but it then states neglect isn't covered. Manufacturers of OLED state that burn in occurs due to the owner not looking after the OLED as it should be so I'd be wary of even that policy covering you. Despite what some posters claim, burn in is a very real issue so you buy one and take your chances.
Not this again.....No one provides cover for Burn in. John Lewis offer a Domestic and General accidental damage cover that claims to cover for burn in...but it then states neglect isn't covered. Manufacturers of OLED state that burn in occurs due to the owner not looking after the OLED as it should be so I'd be wary of even that policy covering you. Despite what some posters claim, burn in is a very real issue so you buy one and take your chances.
The bottom line for me is that the PQ difference between an OLED and the highest end LCDs is sadly still massive.
The OLED IMO destroys the LCDs on a scene by scene basis, as LCDs lack the delicate control of HDR content to produce specular highlight detail without polluting it with artefacts, and SDR content is just flawless from an OLED. Motion has now also improved, they're packing 120hz panels with VRR and HDMI 2.1 features.
Even Vincent Teoh's video of OLED vs Plasma showed the difference in motion is now small.
For that PQ difference, there is a small risk of burn-in which seems to get smaller generation by generation, and in the US you have best-buy's geek squad protection and in the UK we have JL's burn in protection program.
I just think talking about this issue more than it has to be is now a waste of time.
If you want the best PQ available and:
a) think burn in is an issue = buy from JL/Bestbuy
b) think burn in isn't an issue = buy from a retailer which sells the TV cheapest
Every use-case now has a clear solution for those that are worried about burn in and for those that aren't. At last the consumer is empowered either way to make an educated and safe decision.
I've flat out asked D&G (after owning the OLED and being on their policy) is it covered and they said yes. Given the terms and conditions, I think any court will side with you regardless of the 'neglect line'. It flat out says burn in is covered and I have multiple email trails confirming this, including asking if used as a PC monitor would it be covered, to which they've said yes.
So to summarise, I have written assurances via email from D&G and JL and a burn in protection cover which states its covered. Its safe to say... anyone who buys from them is pretty safe when it comes to having to get a panel or TV replaced due to burn in.
I get the paranoia over burn in but when there is a good deal and a good protection program in place, lets please be fair and exercise a bit of common sense rather than further fear-mongering.
You're entitled to that opinion, for me the reality is that they are much, much closer together. I think OLED's can look sublime, but they come with the risk of burn in and can't match top end LCD's for motion or HDR, although this years LG's produce awesome HDR in gaming.
The other one I keep seeing is "subtitles" and burn-in. How?
Subtitles change constantly, OK they're in the same part of the screen but they're not staying on, exactly the same, for hours on end.
Why would an OLED owner be worried about Aspect ratio bars?
1/ Not all movies are in a widescreen format, plenty are 16:9
2/ As OLED is self emissive the black bars are just switched off pixels, how are they going to burn in.
The other one I keep seeing is "subtitles" and burn-in. How?
Subtitles change constantly, OK they're in the same part of the screen but they're not staying on, exactly the same, for hours on end.
It's the uneven wear because the middle of the screen is used more than top and bottom. Check out this link. Scroll halfway down and look at the picture of someone who got permanent image retention watching widescreen flicks.
OLED SCREEN BURN ( permanent image retention)
There is a guy on avs that just had his Tv replaced due IR and a stuck pixel . After an engineer inspected this Tv , he found the Tv had only ever done one cycle from new due a software problem. Because the cycles never worked when they should have ir set in and also caused a pixel to stick on...www.avforums.com
They aren’t. I have both in house and the Panasonic 902b is far inferior sadly.
LCDs are fundamentally flawed with HDR because they have to push the backlight to 100 and try to control colour brightness through the backlight zone control. It’s messy and it comes across as so for those who are interested in the best video quality.
if people are happy with average video quality and not necessarily the best.. i wouldn’t even be shopping at the high range. Just get a mid range LcD Sony and enjoy
One television doesn't validate that point which is flawed but no point continuing. Whatever floats someone's AV boat is best.