Wonder Woman Ultra HD Blu-ray Review & Comments

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    1. Casimir Harlow

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      Apologies if this has been answered in other threads but are we not being short changed from a 2k DI used for the majority of 4k discs?
       
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      Why grain, why?
       
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      Disc froze 3 times on me when I watched it on Saturday - anyone else have this problem (Samsung 8500) ?
       
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      yes.

      disappointed with 4k in general -very few releases better than blurray counterparts
       
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      Short answer: Yes. Short changed in some cases for sure. 4k scan or native 4k di should be the minimum requirement for a 4k disc, but if 2k is good enough for projection, you have to wonder why they even offer 4k in the home for screens under 20ft.
       
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      I had trouble towards the end of the film, audio and video skipping about, could pause and unpause and would be ok but only for seconds, not tried it since though, first issue I’ve come across through my panny 700.
       
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      Yes we are, in the future I bet they will release this again and every 2K DI UHD BD in real 4K.
      Tell me about it, I hate film grain, superman vs. batman nearly made it unwatchable for me, think I will pick-up the normal BD version.
       
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      Wow, really, and a few more I read had this problem, bad discs. That’s it, normal BD here I come.
       
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      You on V1.79 firmware?
       
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      Here's the thing. Without anyone telling you, how many here could tell the difference between 2k upscaled and a 4k?
       
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      Me :(
       
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      Wonder Woman was shot on 35mm film, so grain is simply part of the photochemical process involved in developing the negative. Personally I thought the film and disc looked beautiful and the use of actual film stock gave the image an ethereal quality that suited the story.

      As for being 'short changed' by using a 2K DI for a 4K disc, that's not the case at all. The only source that the studio has for the 4K release is the 2K DI unless they go back and re-rendered all the effects at 4K which would be prohibitively expensive. The majority of films, especially big effects films, are still finished at 2K but I'm guessing you've never sat in the cinema and thought the picture looked low resolution. The reality is that resolution is the least important aspect of Ultra HD, especially on a TV, and other factors like HDR, WCG and 10-bit video will have a greater impact on perceivable picture quality.
       
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      NOM NOM NOM!

      Get it down ye!
       
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      Had no playback problems at all on my Panny 900, thought the disc looked lovely (inclusive of some nicely filmic grain) with some highly effective HDR during key moments.
       
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      Having recently watched a load of older 35mm films on blu-ray none of which had anywhere near the grain seen on more recently filmed UHDs I wonder why is grain such an issue now? OK these older blu-rays may have had DNR but it didn't seem to have any noticeable visible effect if this was the case.

      And while grain is part and parcel of the photochemical process there is fine grain film and there is much rougher grain film. Older films especially westerns were able to use fine grain film stock due to the bright lighting conditions. It's the fashion for shooting in a cave lit by a candle which shows up this limitation of film.

      Until I started playing UHDs I never had a need to use noise controls on the TV and/or player.
      But now with some UHD titles I am maxing out everything possible and still get a picture more grainy than the equivalent blu-ray (without noise reduction operational). It's got to the point I just won't buy a 35mm film (especially a 4K scan of one) on UHD without reading every review possible looking for the words "texture", "grain" and "filmic" all of which ring my alarm bells.
      Shame it's a bit hard to see them though all the grain... ;)
      Yes these can have a greater impact than pure resolution but imo a digitally fimed 4K DI release will trounce any other type of UHD if you want to see the wood from the trees (and it also has a resolution increase too).

      Texture and grain (the nirvana for film enthusiasts) to me are like looking at the world though a dirty window ( I should know, I've got enough of them). The clean grain free image of digitally filmed UHDs is what appeals to me (and I suspect to some others as well) and for the rest blu-rays or streaming can suffice for my viewing.

      It's not just co-incidence that the AVforums highest rated 2016 UHD is The Revenant fillmed by three time consecutive Oscar winning cinematographer Emmanuel Lubezki. He stated about filming The Revenant on digital cameras “It also allowed us to (work) without any noise or grain between the audience and the actor,” Lubezki explains. “It’s a little like watching everything through a window; it’s clean, and there’s no texture between you and the character. I felt this was my divorce from film — finally.

      The first UHD I watched was The Revenant (digital cameras) followed by Deadpool (again digital). With a few noticeable exceptions nothing has matched what I saw with these first UHDs. But like a junkie chasing their first fix experience again, I keep on buying more UHDs in a vain hope to recapture that first UHD hit. :(

      But not with Wonder Woman it seems. I have seen the warning words " it's a more grainy image....offering a finely textured piece which looks suitably filmic throughout"... ;)
       
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      It's a shame that just when we got over the "I hate grain" hump on Blu-ray it's started up again in earnest in the 4K era. I don't begrudge you people for wanting to see what you want to see (I'm guilty of it too with regards to other things like black levels, don't get me started on the modern cinematographic penchant for 'greys' rather than 'blacks') but it's just kinda tiring to have to resume fighting the same battle that we thought we'd seen the last of 10 years ago, it's like a reset button has been pushed.
       
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      I'm not a 2k di hater, i can enjoy a upscale as much as anyone and will still buy them if they get good reviews but hopefully we will see more real 4k and preferably digitally soon like The Revenant, Passengers, Deadpool and most of Planet Earth 2. I want my UHDs to look as clean as possible. :D
       
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      No one's fighting a battle except for my credit card. And the war there is lost... ;)
      But who's this we who are sallying forth to do battle yet again... :)

      Although the battle then was over the use of DNR wasn't it? Not something which is an issue for the clean, grain free, source of digitally filmed UHDs.

      You like grain because it's filmic? Conversely I don't generally like 35mm film on UHD because it's often grainy. Although I make an exception for fine grain film which is not overly boosted by HDR. I watched the 50th anniversary edition of My Fair Lady on blu-ray the other day. Beautiful clean 8K/4K scan of 65mm film. Even turning on HDR effect on my TV couldn't change/ruin that :thumbsup:
       
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      I've got the 3D version. While 3D is fantastic, they've only put 5.1 audio in the 3D disc, while the 2D blu ray has Atmos encoded!!
       
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      Also opted for 3d and for long parts thought it was playing 2d .
      Action scenes looked great though ,
      love the film btw .
       
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      possibly this years most over rated film, not awful but certainly not the masterpiece some seem to be making it out to be.
       
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      Considering DC output up to this film its defiantly a masterpiece in that universe ;). Not sure if many reviews overrated it or indeed punters but we're just glad to finally get an improvement over recent DC efforts.
       
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      I would not say that, its had it fair share of brickbats.
       
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      Played fine here on my 8500:)
       
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      No, the point is that DNR was being used precisely BECAUSE people were expecting the kind of crisp, clean, overly sharp "looking through a window" effect from HD. It took years of beating people over the head with "filmz meanz grainz" to ram the point home but 10 years later we're right back where we started. I know some DPs and filmmakers love the "window" effect and they will always try and shoot for it like Lubezki or Deakins, but when someone shoots on 35mm film in 2017 then by the same token we know that they know what they're getting in for, that grain is part of that particular package and it's part of the aesthetic that they're intending to convey.
       
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      It was partly filmed with 35mm film sources there is going to be grain so get used to it:p
       
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      Reading the review I saw it was filmed with an Arri Alexa and missed the 35mm part. So fair enough there's a bit of grain in there. That's on me for missing it in the review. So my apologies there.

      More broadly I think that grain and HDR are a terrible mix. It highlights the grain and becomes a distraction to the point that I can't believe the original creators of Close Encounters and other classics to be given the UHD disc treatment would be happy with. The standard blu's don't show it up the same way.
       
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      watched over the weekend, i thought it was shockingly cheesy, and a (this has been all done before ) i hated it. the amazonian armour, looked like it was bought from the joke shop
       

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