Women don't exist.

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  1. Derek S-H

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    Not in a sporting sense, anyway.

    "British sport remains a pretty boysy place. Men's sport dominates our TV screens and sports media; men hold the majority of top jobs and so make most of the decisions.

    Today only 5% of sports media coverage is devoted to women's sport and just 0.5% of commercial investment goes to women only sport. However, over 60% of sports fans say they would like to see more women’s sport on the TV.

    Today only one in five Board positions are held by women in publicly funded sport. A high number of sports have no women in their senior decision making team at all." (quote from the Women's Sport and Fitness Foundation)

    How is this fair? How is this meant to encourage female participation? How are professional sportswomen expected to make a living from this?

    I would be gutted if I had a talented daughter, or sister (or even mother!) who didn't have the chance to fulfill their potential and realise their dream. Statistics like the above are just embarrassing and shameful to be frank, you couldn't be practising more blatant discrimination if you tried.

    There's more to women's roles than just cooking, cleaning, reproducing and looking desirable....
     
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  2. mjn

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    Well, speaking from experience at the gym; if they put as much effort into their training as they do talking, they might actually improve and become good. :devil:
     
  3. Pisto_Grih

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    Er, best person for the job innit? If women aren't in the top jobs its because they aren't trying hard enough, right?

    /sarcasm
     
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    Frankly, Id like to know who these 60% of sports fans are. Did 60% of them watch the womens Football World Cup when it was shown on BBC ? Most womens sport (apart from racquet sports and athletics) just isnt as watcheable as the mens. I personally wouldnt choose to watch it, given the choice
     
  5. m4rky_m4rk

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    Funny, I see that too. I am normally too knackered or concentrating too hard to talk. Its not just in the gym either but I see it also when out jogging/cycling. Some people manage to carry on a conversation while running/cycling. It seems for some people 'physical exercise' is more of a social event than actual fitness training.

    Sport... when I watch it, which isn't often, I want to be entertained and amazed by what is bodily possible. Something I can only aspire to. That means for me its only interesting when watching the best of the best. I do not do care which sex they are but they must be at the pinnacle of the human achievement....

    Which sex would that be then ? :devil:

    The money and jobs trend with the spectator numbers doesn't it?
     
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    From what I've seen of womens sport recently it's a good thing :devil:
     
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    What's wrong with that? Social aspect is an important part of it for a lot of people, and if that gets more of us into fitness training, so much the better. Besides, all guidelines I've seen recommend being able to carry on a conversation while excercising. If you can't, you're overdoing it. Not everyone needs training to top athlete standards.
     
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    It's an excuse society can use to explain why females can't get into the top tiers of sport: they're too busy gossiping and painting their nails.
     
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    In sport women shouldn't exist apart from tennis and beach volleyball. Everything else they participate in is dull and amateurish.

    Women's football is laughable and comparable to a bunch of kids having a knock around on the yard at school.

    I don't want my tax or Sky money being spent on watching low level sports just because it's women that are playing it.

    I want to watch the best athletes/sports people and sadly 99% of the time that's not women.
     
  10. Ed Selley

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    I think the little shindig in Sochi suggests this is wide of the mark. Women's skiing, snowboarding and ski jump is every bit as entertaining as the men's- the speeds, risks and skills are effectively identical. Luge sports and speed skating are also seriously impressive.
     
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    Nothing is wrong with that if want to chat and socialise but I do that at other times and places. Why buy and dress up in all the gear like a pro if you want to chat. For me exercising time is for exercising and that means I will get hot, sweaty and out of breath. Holding a conversation at the same time is not easy and even annoying because I'd rather concentrate on breathing.

    I don't believe the 'able to chat or your over doing it ' bit unless you have already have a health problem. Sounds like an excuse not to try hard enough. Your body will let you know when you trying too hard.

    I get the most improvement when I try moderately hard regularly.

    I find an accurate way to gauge how hard I am trying is to use a heart rate monitor. I get to know how my body responds and its very useful for training. IMHO a lot of what holds people back from really trying is all in the mind, me included. It is easy to find excuses to back off but there is no escaping the %HRR number.
     
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    No, it's not wide of the mark. It's complete nonsense.

    Phil
     
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    Sochi Medal Table:

    British Men: 0
    British Women: 1 ;)
     
  14. Philly112

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    She should have stayed at home bringing up the kids/cleaning/painting her nails/cooking. Waste of metal.

    Phil
     
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    I'm having my one hour a day of diplomacy.
     
  16. Philly112

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    I'm not.
     
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    Totally agree, I've tried watching a the women's football, boxing and basketball and they just don't compare. Although as a Lakers fan, the WNBA is probably better for me right now.
     
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    We'd be buggered if it wasn't for women in the Olympics. Winter and t'other one.
     
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    Or take up Curling and combine sport and housework in one "made for women" event

    ;)
     
  20. Philly112

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    Brilliant!
     
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    Well I guess some people are just more sociable than others.
     
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    I don't agree with that, I mean the men in the slopestyle were doing triple backflips while I don't think I saw any one of the women go inverted. I think the biggest spin in the womens was a 720, while the men were pulling 1440's. I don't think the risks or speed of skill level were identical in any way.
     
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    I'd counter that the women's slopestyle was smoother and more fluid- as they weigh next to nothing, the effort that they have to put into preservation of inertia is greater. The result is still excellent to watch and if either gender gets it wrong, it still clearly hurts like a bastard. When you move out of the judged sports and into timed ones, the differences are smaller still.
     
  24. Derek S-H

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    I don't think it's fair to judge male and female sporting performance using the same criteria because we are patently physically different.

    I am old enough to remember when it was commonly accepted that Black players would never succeed at football because they lacked something, anything, and weren't as good as whites. Seems ludicrous now, doesn't it?

    And what about disability? We are constantly told that they are less than able-bodied people, but some of the performances in the Paralympics were simply astounding.

    I just think women should be better represented, receive better exposure and be taken more seriously than they are at present. I don't give a toss about the men; we get more than our fair share and plenty of them (depending on the sport, obviously) make a good enough living, no matter how mediocre they might be.

    Maintaining a closed shop, boys club mentality does us and them no favours in the long run and reflects poorly on us as individuals and as a society.
     
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    Damn minority sports :devil:
     
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    There is no conspiracy to keep womens sport down.

    Football is focussed on men, because that is what the paying public want to see. Sky or the BBC will show anything that gets the viewers in. I don't think there is anyone to blame but the general public.

    I'll be staying up late in the summer to watch the England men play in the World Cup. I have no idea if or when the England women are playing next, and to be honest I wouldn't care enough to make the time to watch it even if I knew.

    It simply isn't as entertaining.

    People will watch what they want to watch.
     
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    Darts
    Snooker
    No reason why there should be separate male and female events
     
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    Agreed. I remember the consternation when the first woman snooker referee was at a final.
    Many were looking for her to do something wrong.
     
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    One of the male snooker players wont even shake her hand.
    But that's more to do with religious sexism than a sporting one.
     
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    Love to see a female moto gp or f1 racer.
     

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