Wishing to upgrade current 400d -Which Canon SLR--60d or 7d

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  1. wferg

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    Please help. Looking at upgrading from my present 400d, and would like some info and advice on which camera to get. 60d or 7d? Noise control in high ISO is important to me as I sometimes want to shoot wildlife in low light situation. Full frame camera is not an option and also weight is also a factor for carting around. Thanks
     
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    The noise will be virtually identical and so will image quality. It's the same sensor in both the 60d and 7d.

    The 7d
    Better build quality and weather proofing
    more auto focus points
    faster burst mode
    micro focus adjust (ie if you get a lens that is front or back focusing you can use this to fix it yourself)

    The 60d
    £300 less which you can put towards better glass.
    Smaller and lighter but still a good size and weight and feeling rugged.
    articulated screen great for video or for shooting in situations where getting your eye to the viewfinder is difficult (low down or high up etc)

    The question is are the benefits of the 7d worth the extra £300 to you.

    a 60d + a £600 lens would outperform a 7d with a £300 lens in most situations.
     
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    Many thanks. Currently have following lens--17-55 f2.8 IS, 100 f2.8 macro(without IS), 70-300 f4.5-5.6 IS DOS USM. Won't mind getting a wide angle lens too.
     
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    AF on the 7D will be substantially better, shutter noise is quieter too.

    With the lenses you have it'll take much more than £300 to buy one that will improve things dramatically.

    The downside of the 7D will be it's weight... much, much heavier than a 400D. You might want to also consider the 550D if you like the 400D size.

    I'd go to a shop and look at the 550D, 60D and 7D side by side.
     
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    Agreed, I said that before he said his main lens was the 15-55 2.8 IS. Also agree with going to pick them up and see which is most comftable.
     
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    Yes, sorry wasn't meaning it as a criticism of you... ;)
     
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    Its almost the same sensor. The 7D sensor has 4 channel reads the 60D has 2 channel. This helps the 60D's read noise levels and means you can push shots a little more without seeing banding. Ofcourse this also means it cant shoot at 8fps.

    I bought a 7D after owning a 350D for 4 years, spectacular upgrade and I love its high ISO capabilities.

    Would I buy a 60D? possibly but I love the 7D's autofocus and viewfinder and ergonomics.
     
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    I have had a close look at the 7D and read countless write ups on it, I want one! It is a cracking camera but i've decided to stay with Nikon as I have a few lens that i'd prefer to keep, if it wasn't for this i'd almost certainly go for the 7D. If you are using it for wildlife it has to be a better bet for various reasons, (as above, especially autofocus).....it'll stand up to more abuse, your bound to clang it a few times :)
     
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    I just keep thinking of this camera teamed up with a MP-E65 .. what a superb macro setup that could be with the articulated screen.
     
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    Many thanks. What is a MP-E65? I have tried both the 60d and 7d with the 17-55 f2.8 lens and the 7d is definitely heavier. My concern is still the weight as this is my travel camera. But agree that 7d is a better camera etc etc. Swaying towards a 60d at present, but....... hard decision to make. Which lens would you recommend for a wide angle lens?
     
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    mpe65 is canons uber macro lens.

    It doesnt do normal photos, it doesnt do autofocus, hell it doesnt even do focus confirm.

    It does do 1x-5x magnification though! (normal macro lens is 1x).

    Superb but very tricky lens to use, almost the same size as a 100-400L too.
     
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    If you go with a canon lens there is virtually no choice at all the only option is the Canon EF-S 10-22mm f3.5-4.5 USM - £570.00 It's meant to be very good though so the lack of choice isn't such a big deal as long as you are happy with the price tag.

    if you want to spend a little less though sigma have 3 options and tamron 1.

    The sigma options include the Sigma 8-16mm f4.5-5.6 DC HSM which is even wider but the same price as the canon.

    The Sigma 10-20mm F3.5 EX DC HSM which is over £100 less but is faster than the canon.

    The cheaper options are the
    Sigma 10-20mm f/4-5.6 EX DC HSM for £370
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    Tamron 10-24mm f3.5-4.5 Di II LD for £330

    afraid I've struggled to find a really good head to head comparison of the lenses.
     
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    Canons 10-22 is ok , sharp and nice to use.

    Out of the sigma 10-20's the f3.5 is actualy the poorer BUT it shoots at f3.5, so if you want a fastish cheapish wide its likely a good candidate.

    Sigmas 8-16mm is superb, outperfoms canons new flagship zoom the 70-200f2.8L IS mkII. But it has a convex front element which makes using filters very tricky.

    Tamrons 10-24 is oK not very much loved.

    Noggin left out the tokina 11-16f2.8, probably opticaly the best of the bunch (bar the 8-16) and is f2.8, but has the shortest 'zoom'.

    My 10-20 is mostly shot at 10-12mm anyhow.
     
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    I imagine that's the same for a lot of people.

    I'm suprised no one makes a ultrawide crop body only 2.8 prime lens. But they're all fisheyes.

    As soon as you start looking at full frames the game changes and there are some superb options for the landscape tog.
     
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    I have a Pentax DA 14mm f2.8 which is superb.

    Don't forget the Tokina 12-24mm f4 and Sigma 12-24mm f4.5-5.6
    The Sigma in particular is excellent if you can find a good one (took me a few attempts) and although slower I tend to use the Sigma much more than the Pentax f2.8 as the subjects mainly need a higher aperture.
     
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    Many thanks to all of you for your invaluable advice and info. We make my decision on which camera to get before end of the year. By the way, anyone knows if there is an 8d on its way early next year?
     
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    Almost certainly not. There is quite a lot of rumour however surrounding the next full frame camera, which may possibly be released as a 5dMkIII, possibly coming out in the March timeframe. If they give it the same AF as the 7D, 28MP as rumoured and the new Digic V processor then it will probably be an absolute gem of a camera, which will no doubt cost a small fortune too sadly.

    BTW, I just got a 7D a couple of weeks back and have to say I love it - a significant upgrade over the 450D.

    Cheers,

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    The 5DmkIII if it ever turns up will be a lot of money.

    Who knows when the 7D is likely to be replaced, could be after 3 years in which case it'll be late 2012.

    Both nikon and canon are stretching the higher end models lifespan out somewhat at the moment.

    Honestly theres not much I would want to change on the 7D anyhow (yes I can think of things but nothing major).
     
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    Do the 550D and 60D have identical sensors?
     
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    I believe so yes. Both use a 2 channel readout version of the 18MP sensor it seems.
     

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