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windvd, Powerdvd, theatertek ?

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  1. perrin21

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    HMMM!! puzzled, i have always used Windvd for playback but after reading this forum i have read that some prefer Theatertek. What is the best and why?

    Will theatertek run in XP media center edition? will i still see the benefits? if there are any.

    Many thanks
    Mark
     
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    Theatertek combined with Radeons in DXVA mode provide the best DVD picture quality. Theatertek is also a dream to use.

    PS Anyone going to the Event can win a copy of Theatertek!
     
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    will it run with the parhelia?
     
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    It pretty sure I tried it and it worked fine, it was a while ago though.
     
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    Will it work with XP media center edition through the UI? Is there still a benefit to this?
     
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    I've never used XP media edition, but it should be OK. The main Theatertek limitaion is that it dosn't run in windowed mode.
     
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    Do theatertek do any trial to see if it works?
     
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    Nope .. you have to buy it and request a refund within 7 days.

    Worse, it has a user-hostile activation procedure ... you have to register and they send you an unlock code BUT this is tied to the PC in such a way that if you re-install the O/S you need a new code. The TT support people claim this isn't true but there are users on their forums saying otherwise.

    This means you're beholden to them every time you install and God help you if they go out of business. If I'd known this before buying I'd have avoided it like the plague. :mad:
     
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    Is theatertek really that much better than Windvd? I will be using it from behind the cloak of XP media center so fancy menu's won't display. I am looking for pure old fashioned picture quality.
    What makes it better. Anybody done a side by side?
     
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    Theatertek doesn't run with SP4 windows 2000. Something to do with the sonic decoders, so might be worth checking with theatertek support to ensure it will run as you hope it will.

    I personally prefer the windvd codecs with zoomplayer to TT, but there's not much in it.

    P.S. is it possible to sell TT as I own a copy i never use?
     
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    TT had no fancy menus :) .. it won't easily play ripped DVDs, ie. there's no File | Open support for IFOs like PowerDVD (and maybe WinDVD?). I honestly see little difference between TT and PDVD, though TT does work with my ATI remote which gives it a slight 'edge', but that's of no interest to you either.

    I detest TT's activation so much I'd never recommend the product to anyone, the quality isn't light-years better than the rest even if it can be shown to be better at all.
     
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    TT has excellent ripped DVD support. The PQ difference is pretty obvious on a 9" CRT projector.
     
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    this is what i am looking for someone objective. Its really hard to get an honest educated opinion. Its really great that so many people are giving me input on this thread. I am beginning to think i might stay with Windvd, i have never had any problems with it, and i know it works with MCE. I think the picture looks fine. My experiences of power DVD were that it kept crashing, that was about 3 years ago though.
     
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    Jeff, what is better about the picture over WinDVD or Power DVD.
     
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    "Excellent support"?

    Um yeah, if you want to fanny around with humungous command-line parameters while at the same time trying to get the /MAP option to work by ensuring DVD drive letters are in the right part of the alphabet or third-party launchers .. unlike PowerDVD where it's File | Open | browse | play.

    Sorry, I don't see how TT can be said to be "excellent", it's ham-fisted and I'll take your word for it that CRT projectors show a quality difference, for front pjs and computer LCD panels I see little to none. I actually see more difference between WinDVD and PDVD than TT and PDVD.
     
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    It is a command line option, but its a simple /path= pointing it to where the files are. This allows you to set up a shortcut to each film very easily.
     
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    i really want to see the difference but i don't want to pay £40 to find out its not noticeable. They really should offer a proper trial. If i cancelled within 7 days how do they make sure you have uninstalled it?
     
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    It dosn't work after 7 day unless you register it.
     
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    You can just right click on the VIDEO_TS or IFO file and select open with Theatretek, check the box that says always use this program for files of this type and then the next time you want to run a file just double click it. It works great, navigation is further improved, seems to be really slick:)
     
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    Well, I have tried all three all night and tbh this is what I think. I was doing this and was amused to see this post by coincidence.

    Picture Quality [build 18, so quite old, i.e. about 12 months] TT Very good, menus a bit dated and not as user friendly as others, audio a bit of a pain, but that is probably as much to with my Fortissimo than anything else.

    PowerDVD5 [trial] again I think the picture quality is = to TT and menus much smarter and more intuitive.

    WinDVD Platinum [trial] again picture quality is right up there, menus and features spot on.

    With what I have seen, I would say that as far PQ goes there is little or nothing in it, although the TT is about 12 months old and maybe the later builds are better.

    I would not recommend paying to find out - and I have decided to go for PowerDVD5 which is <$20 to upgrade from version 4 OEM which came with my sound card.

    I have emailed TT a number of times saying that they are misplaced not having trial software.

    WinDVD is as good as PowerDVD in my view but the initial and upgrade prices are higher.
     
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    This is sort of what i expected. WinDVD and power DVD seem to have been doing it the longest, theatertek has the right idea, high end dvd software but how can it be better?.

    I think i will probably have to have a go for myself. If the picture is only a few percent better with TT then i will stick with Windvd, as i want my pc to work simply with Media center edition and i know it works. I'm sure that within 6 months TT will have an update to support Media center, it may already have one. Once i know for sure i will give it a try.
     
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    Um, not here it doesn't, TT needs that stupid messing about with /MAP to be able to play ripped files. :confused:

    In any case, even if it works in a later version, you still have to mess about switching out of TT to get to Explorer .. why the hell they refuse to provide a File|Open dialog is beyond me. :(
     
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    TT doesn't support windowed mode, so architecturally a file open dialogue box is probably difficult to implement. On the other hand it does have very good aspect ratio control and overscanning, as well as on the fly deinterlace mode changing and per DVD settings. I couldn't live without these features.
     
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    Just my pennies worth..

    I've recently tried TT, PowerDVD, WinDVD5, ZoomPlayer and FFDShow.

    On my PJ the clear winner is WinDVD5.

    It gives the clearest, sharpest, smoothest and most 'life-like' picture quality. Just make sure that you have the very latest version - as earlier versions had a very annoying stutter whenever there is a chapter change - and also make sure that you select the correct colour setup for your display.

    Like I said, it's just my pennies worth. ;)
     
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    bought a copy of theatertek today and downloaded it. I can conclude that my picture quality is now better/in a different league than my tag mclaren. this is after 4 hours of a/b comparisons and setting up with digital video essentials. A world better than windvd 4. So far it seems well worth the money.
    Will try within xp media center and report any issues in the morning.
     
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    Have you tried Zoomplayer with windvd codecs and ffdshow? That was better than Theatertek for me. The Sonic decoders seem a bit tired to me, although it all takes a bit of setting up and fine-tuning so perhaps I'm just not very good at that bit.

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    You can use ffdshow with TT if you wish... The problem with FFDShow is that it doesn't support DXVA and the software decoders for TT and WinDVD aren't up to the same level of quality, you end up with mpeg blocking artifacts all over the place. Also adding more edge enhancement via FFDSHow isn't to everyones likeing.
     
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    i have tried with xp media center, no joy. ah well not to worry. Sticking with theatertek...
     
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    For those of us with a nvidia card, what about NVDVD?
    Not been mentioned on this thread yet, does that mean its crap?

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