Will vaccination be yearly?

Mevlock

Distinguished Member

From the very same article

But a recent study led by Public Health England (PHE) shows most people who have had the virus are protected from catching it again for at least five months (the duration of the analysis so far).

Other studies have shown 8 months immunity.


Obviously people are getting re-infected.

But most studies are showing a majority of people (up to 90%) have immunity for many months afterwards. And these studies are ongoing, you'll likely see them showing, 9, 10 months and so on with a decent level of immunity.

Again obviously not for everyone, people's immune systems are highly variable.

And of course at some point this immunity will drop off. But so far the results are all broadly the same that immunity last for quite a long time.

There certainly isn't proof that a substantial number of people are losing immunity after just a few months. In fact the studies are showing the oppopsite.

So it easily makes sense that a country like Israel will hold off vaccinating people who have previously been infected. As they will likely have a good ammount of immunity while they vaccinate the rest of the country. I mean they'll be done by the end of March at this this rate. Anyone who has had a previous infection should easily have a good chance of being immune until then.
 
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Philly112

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From the very same article

But a recent study led by Public Health England (PHE) shows most people who have had the virus are protected from catching it again for at least five months (the duration of the analysis so far).

Other studies have shown 8 months immunity.


Obviously people are getting re-infected.

But most studies are showing a majority of people (up to 90%) have immunity for many months afterwards. And these studies are ongoing, you'll likely see them showing, 9, 10 months and so on with a decent level of immunity.

Again obviously not for everyone, people's immune systems are highly variable.

And of course at some point this immunity will drop off. But so far the results are all broadly the same that immunity last for quite a long time.

There certainly isn't proof that a substantial number of people are losing immunity after just a few months. In fact the studies are showing the oppopsite.

So it easily makes sense that a country like Israel will hold off vaccinating people who have previously been infected. As they will likely have a good ammount of immunity while they vaccinate the rest of the country. I mean they'll be done by the end of March at this this rate. Anyone who has had a previous infection should easily have a good chance of being immune until then.
It's great that Israel has done so well. The world will be able to see fairly quickly (by the Summer hopefully), how this is likely to play out, wrt transmission rates and serious illness. They will be watched very closely.
 

Mevlock

Distinguished Member
LOL, end of March.
I just leave you with your dreams.

Are you paying attention to what's going on at all?

Pfizer is busy making sure Israel gets as much of their vaccine as they need to vaccinate their population as quickly as possible. Since they want to show that it can control the pandemic on a population level.

Israel also has a total population roughly the size of London. It's easily doable.

Instead of being sarcastic and belittling other people maybe do a bit of reading.

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Mevlock

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Think you are wrong, you can catch twice.
Read my post above.

I went into quite a bit of detail.

Quoting a few sources.

It's nowhere near as simple as saying you lose immunity after a few months. There's far more to it than that.
 

SteveAWOL

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Anthony Harnden of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation... also tackled the question of whether the covid-19 vaccine could become an annual vaccination, like the flu programme.

“I suspect it’s going to be likely that we’re going to require an annual boost for a while,” he said. “It just depends on the length of duration of protection. The virus mutates, [but it] probably doesn’t mutate as much or as quickly as the influenza virus, so it’s very difficult to predict whether this is going to be an annual vaccine or for how many years. But I certainly think it’s going to be a booster shot this year.”

 

richp007

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That'll drive the Anti-Vaxx mob over the edge.

Tears and tantrums abound.

I don't think it's new news though really. Still a long way to go in all this yet.

I wonder if the numpties would have a tablet or spray if one becomes available.
 

Judge Mental

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This is something that would be relatively straightforward given we already have annual flu vaccines. Individually it would be no more onerous than a dental check up.
 

david1974b

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Think you are wrong, you can catch twice.
Yes. We've been lucky so far that the virus has not yet mutated into a more deadly variant where the current vaccines can't make you immune from even though you've already had the vaccine.

What's happening in India where the newly double mutated variant has arrived here from is highly concerning. Many of those people tested positive with the new double mutated variant in India will have already received a dose of oxford/az vaccine.
 
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david1974b

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Yearly booster jabs won't stop new variants of the vaccine getting into the Uk and infecting people before they receive the next one. We'll already lose the immunuty from the last booster jab if the new variant infects us not a date not close enough to having recently had your yearly jab, or rhs booster jab doesm't make yoursel
 

SteveAWOL

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Yearly booster jabs won't stop new variants of the vaccine getting into the Uk and infecting people before they receive the next one. We'll already lose the immunuty from the last booster jab if the new variant infects us not a date not close enough to having recently had your yearly jab, or rhs booster jab doesm't make yoursel

Not according to professor Finn of the JCVI it won’t...


 

IronGiant

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Many of those people tested positive with the new double mutated variant in India will have already received a dose of oxford/az vaccine.
And? The vaccine doesn't stop you picking up the virus again (whatever the variant). Have any of them previously vaccinated shown any symptoms? Be interesting to see some numbers.
 

mossy2103

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A booster programme will be happening this autumn, confirmed in yesterday's statement to the House by Matt Hancock::


Mr Hancock said: ‘We must also turn our attention to what comes next. The biggest risk to our progress here in the UK is a new variant, that the vaccines don’t work as well against. We know from our response to other viruses like flu that we need updated vaccines to tackle mutated viruses.


‘So I can tell the house that as we complete the first programme of first and second jabs, we are ramping up plans for a booster shot, to make sure our vaccines stay ahead of the virus. We have already procured enough vaccine doses to begin the booster shots later this year.’


 

david1974b

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Mevlock

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A woman in New Zealand has shown symptoms after receiving both doses of the vaccine more than 3 weeks ago.

That's something we have to watch out for. It's a clear warning.

This has happened all over the world, to thousands of people. People are dying after being vaccinated too.

We know this. We knew this would happen as soon as the clinical trial results came in last year. Otherwise efficacy would have been 100% right across the board.

Vaccines are preventatives not cures.

No one is saying we shouldn't be keeping a very close eye on the variants or on how the vaccines are performing.

But panicking every time the media decides to stoke some fear for clicks isn't healthy. Right now there is zero evidence that after both jabs a substantial number of people are ending up hospitalised or dead from variants. Until that happens there's nothing you or I can do and we should just relax and let the scientists do their job.
 
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