Will CES Solve the HDTV DVD Format War?

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  1. BadAss

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    An interesting article to end 2006. Happy new year everyone! :clap:

    'Overall, here is my prediction: the Blu-ray game plan is now finally working, and if things remain on their current course, Blu-ray will win the format war sometime in 2007. But this can change dramatically with either added studio support for HD DVD or new player initiatives. Anything can still happen, but CES should give us a lot of information about the outcome.'


    http://www.tvpredictions.com/rsmith122906.htm
     
  2. Jeff

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    I don't anything will get resolved in 2007, Toshiba say they have big plans for CES, we'll just have to wait andsee what they are.
     
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    AT best I think blu-ray will be on par with hd-dvd for 2007 as it still has alot to catchup on.

    To be honest the format war will not be solved untill late 2008
     
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    yep just gonna hold off buying into blu-ray just now even thou blu-ray discs seem to be matching hd-dvd in terms of pq and audio-some good films coming up for blu-ray --just waiting to see if they will release a budget blu-ray player so to speak--looking forward to ces
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    happy new year to you all
     
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    Well I guess it is now the New Year given by the bombardment of fireworks outside!

    My prediction for the upcoming year...no major resolution to the format war. Maybe we'll see some sign of dual players by Q4 2007 but these will be the exception rather than the rule - however it will mark the beginning of the end for the format war.

    Personally I doubt CES will be that exciting - a few announcements from each camp - but I can't see anything much changing.

    Anyway - Happy New Year.
     
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    Yea Happy newyear everyone
     
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    Happy new year to all. I expect we will see loads of HUGE announcements that when the dust settles really mean very little as the deals have already been done. I am sure we will see a shock from both sides but will bare little resemblance to what the rest of the year actually brings.
     
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    What's everyone doing online? Did you not watch those fireworks on the London Eye? Never seen anything like it.

    Anyway, a very happy new year to everyone, and I'm sure there's a lot to look forwards to.

    Nick
     
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    the budget player is already out PS3;)
    happy new year every one:arty:
     
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    In terms of the format war? I think we'll still all be debating it as vociferously as always this time next year (2008).HD will however take off,2008 is likely to be a defining year in many ways.

    Blu-ray players will still be grossly overpriced,whilst getting into HD-DVD will be a very realistic option for more and more people, with the increasing fall in prices of LCD panels and HD-DVD players.The fate of the PS3 will be more readily apparent.

    HD-DVD drives will become more ubiquitous.Also be interesting to see the pricing considering how easy it would be to buy the X-Box add-on as an alternative.

    Just possible that re-writable drives and media will also make an appearance in your local PC World.We can also (thankfully) look forward to a steadily increasing number of Hi-Def releases.Hopefully the first Hammer Film will appear on HD-DVD.

    I'm also sure there will be a few surprises (as always) along the way,but with HD-DVD and Blu-ray now established in both the US and Europe 2007 will be an interesting year of High Definition format consolidation.
     
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    Yeah we know -

    just wait until...
    if...
    when...

    etc. etc.

    BD = HD UMD ;)
     
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    Do mean it will be the fasting selling optical disc format after DVD? Great :)
     
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    I can see how things are turning out just by looking at this site. There's 43 looking at the HD-DVD threads and 2 looking at Blu-ray. Blu-ray at this point in time has nothing over HD-DVD and HD-DVD is half the price. Ths same is also true on the AVS forums. More are into HD-DVD. Only time i think Blu-ray will catch up is when there is cheaper players or HD-DVD/Blu-ray format machines.
     
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    Exactly, and for the money a Blur-ry standalone player costs, i can get a HD-DVD player and 30 HD-DVD films.

    The choice is obvious to me. :D
     
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    The only time?

    [​IMG]

    Less than 500 behind.

    [​IMG]

    Only three behind.

    We've not even seen the best from Blu-Ray yet.
     
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    :rotfl: :rotfl:

    Gotta love them graphs... :clap:


    Either you put your faith in the daily changes on these graphs from one source.....

    Or you think that one guy, who has little to do with either HD-DVD or BR, can somehow predict the future....

    :rolleyes:

    Why not just wait and see, if either player wins outright it will IMO be a big boost to HD, but unfortunately that looks less likely than it did at the start of this disc war... :(

    HNY ! :hiya:
     
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    He does put alot of faith in the graphs - but lets be generous - the BluRay forum reached new levels of traffic this morning. At one stage there were 3 users browsing it :eek:
     
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    Thank god for that, its been rubbish up until recently.

    Happy New Year

    Gazza
     
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    I think the graphs are fun, well as long as BD is on the up anyway.:smashin:

    I suppose when Blu-Ray has surpassed HD-DVD i'll have no neeed to post graphs anymore and I can have a well earned rest. :D

    I'm not going to make anymore predictions before CES either.:rolleyes: If we look back at CES 2006 we're still waiting for The Matrix and Spiderman to appear one year later.
     
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    PMSFL at them graphs. :rotfl:

    Only 3 now? :eek:

    Some peeps have a lot of money to waste. :D

    Listen i dont give a damn about which format. If Blu-ray gets cheaper than HD DVD then i'll buy into it, but not at this point in time.

    My £400 Tosh E1 kicks them £1000 Blu-ray players into touch. What mug would pay over the odds for a bog standard machine? I went and looked at the two Blu-ray machines that are out over here, the Panny and the Sammy, before i bought into any HD player, and both were not a patch on the Tosh. And i love Panasonic. But theres no way im paying £600 more and not getting any picture enhancement.

    And for the record, some people say Star Wars will decide the format war. Well i loved them films (iv-v-vi) and theres no way i'll still pay twice as much to watch them. If anyone does, then they will always be walked over by big money making fat cats, who tell you what to buy and at how much (Sony).

    Btw the DVD upscaling looks better than my Denon 2910. Hope a multi-region mod is out soon.
     
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    So why don't you do it then?

    The question was will CES solve the HDTV question? Personally, I think there will be significant announcements, e.g. PS3 launch in Europe etc. I don't think there will be any studio shift announcements or dual format player announcements. They may have been, but BR is now getting into gear.
     
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    I think this is most telling graph, and tells a far better story. :devil:
     

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    Funny thing is, Eventhough BD isn't up there with HD DVD PQ, sales seem to had a boost where HD DVD only decreased :confused:

    Those graphs aren't fully thrustworthy, but it's a nice indicator though

    Less than 500 behind isn't that bad then for "Rubbish" PQ ;)
     
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    :rotfl: Sales decreased have they - looking at this graph sales for today are higher than sales this time last month. A slowly increasing overall trend:
    [​IMG]

    Well as we are not privvy to the difference in sales 500 rankings could mean we don't really know that do we? It could mean 10,000 less units shipped for all we know.
     
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    In my crystal ball i can see a cheap HD-DVD player being announced at CES ~£200, a new Xbox with internal HD-DVD. Universal's big release announcement will be Gladiator, with LOTR also making an HD-DVD exclusive appearance. Meanwhile BD will announce second gen players of around £500-600 from most of the big CE companies, disney might announce the Lion King, on BD. Some companies might mention dual players but there won't be anything solid :)

    There you go that will be £10 please thanks for coming to see mystic meg.
     
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    That's why I mentioned those graphs are not really thrustworthy.

    though this is what we're using for reference, HD DVD increases very slowly, but decreased the last 5 days while BD increases much and MUCH more eventhough it's equipment is MUCH more expensive...or are you going to tell me now every PS3 owner actually DOES use it for movie playback? ;)

    BD went from 3000 - 1050? Don't tell me that's not a progress worth mentioning
     
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    I think the BD hike is due to the fact we have finally seen some decent BluRay releases worth buying - Fox are doing the format proud and certainly account for a large percentage of my discs now. If I was drawing a graph of my disc ownership it would show a steady rise in HD DVDs, and an abrupt rise in BDs over the last month or so - my collection remains 8:1 in favour of HD DVD though.

    Of course it is - it's just getting a bit silly now where we are having a hour by hour analysis on a day when all the shops are shut.
     
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    Agree!

    Not trying to bash HD DVD, but I find it more silly people still seem to bash Blu-Ray over and over again. I like both formats, we live in a pretty satisfactory world concerning HD.

    Fox is certainly doing the format proud. It seems the best releases are Fox's eventhough they still use MPEG2.

    My point was to make people see BD isn't such a bad format they pretend it to be. It's doing better and better every day since launchday.

    As for the graphs, BD is making more progress than HD DVD a.t.m.
    So, it's either

    1: people DO use the PS3 for playback
    OR
    2: those "high" prices don't really seem to affect the sales.

    It's difficult to tell really :rolleyes:
     
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