Will a router work?

[Forzafan]

Hi,

i have my broadband through my ntl set top box and this goes to my pc or my xbox live (because i copied my pc's ip address fooling the ntl box) but i have to choose which one to use, i cant use both at the same time.
at first this was ok but now its starting to annoy me. will buying a router solve the problem so i can use both at once? and as i am not technically minded, (or able to waste money on something i cant work,) is it easy to install?

thanks in advance

 

[monkey69]

Yes, the router does something called Network address translation which shares the one IP address between many client devices. Most routers have a 4-port switch built in to them for the client ethernet connections.

These days, you can get a good one for around 20-30 quid and they will often work without any configuration needing to be done since you are on a cable service.

You'll have to set the xbox and pc to have different addresses when you get a router otherwise it's going to cause a conflict using them both at the same time.

Good luck.

 

[monkfeesh]

i dont want to be rude, and jump in on this post, but i have a similar sort of query regarding this subject.

i have my router sharing my mac, xbox, xbox 360 (in seprate room), and my dads office PC.

thing is, i just added a PS3 to the room where the 360 is, and im having to keep swapping my ethernet cable when i wanna play online on either.
i done some searching on dabs.com, and found this for the £9 :

http://www.dabs.com/productview.asp...&SearchKey=All&SearchMode=All&NavigationKey=0

would this be ideal to use so i can run the main ethernet cable coming from my router into, then have 2 seperate cables coming from the switcher going to both ps3 and 360??

or is there a different alternative...im not looking to spend TOO much!!

cheers in advance, and sorry for jumping in

 

[Fen Star]

Have any of you tried looking here (see below) it run by a top bloke from here....

http://www.xboxlivetheguide.co.uk/

 

[jason g]

Have any of you tried looking here (see below) it run by a top bloke from here....

http://www.xboxlivetheguide.co.uk/

shadowman runs it, he's a top bloke too.

 

[def]

I thought that guide was absolute rubbish. It doesn't tell you the information you actually need, such as ports and protocols to open/forward on your firewall.

Search this live forum for my previous posts - I posted a full set of firewall/NAT rules to get "open" status on XBox live behind a NAT gateway.

 

[Fen Star]

I thought that guide was absolute rubbish. It doesn't tell you the information you actually need, such as ports and protocols to open/forward on your firewall.

Search this live forum for my previous posts - I posted a full set of firewall/NAT rules to get "open" status on XBox live behind a NAT gateway.

Then why don't you post them here for the original OP to look at, instead of complaining about a site that other's find really helpful..

 

[ShadowmanUK]

I thought that guide was absolute rubbish. It doesn't tell you the information you actually need, such as ports and protocols to open/forward on your firewall.

Search this live forum for my previous posts - I posted a full set of firewall/NAT rules to get "open" status on XBox live behind a NAT gateway.

Well its been very useful to others and it DOES tell you the exact ports and protocols to use if you'd actually look on the site properly. Its clearly covered in the FAQ section and if for some reason you can't find it, there's even a search function.

No pleasing some tho....

 

[ShadowmanUK]

You mean your post here def?

http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=506193

Hmmm funny that I DO actually cover all of those ports apart from 8602 which isn't needed.

 

[ShadowmanUK]

To the OP.

Yes as already stated, get a router, if you want advice on good ones for Xbox live (and in General) have a look at the equipment section here:-

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Personally I favour the Netgear range, very easy to setup and will work with more than one xbox if using the correct firmware.

 

[def]

Then why don't you post them here for the original OP to look at, instead of complaining about a site that other's find really helpful..

Um, I did? I already made a post in this forum listing everything you need, so I'm not sure what you mean (unless you want me to copy and paste my other post verbatim, which seems pointless).

Well its been very useful to others and it DOES tell you the exact ports and protocols to use if you'd actually look on the site properly. Its clearly covered in the FAQ section and if for some reason you can't find it, there's even a search function.

I scanned your site looking for the ruleset information and couldn't find it. Did find a lot of stuff about installing network cards in PCs though. Really all you need is one page with the required rules stated clearly (as I did in my post).

And you should really change your recommendations about wireless configs to recommend WPA2. It's trivial to crack WPA(-PSK) - as easy as WEP, which is not reflected in your doc.

 

[def]

One page like this you mean:-

http://www.xboxlivetheguide.co.uk/XBoxLiveTheGuide3.php?title=Which ports does Xbox Live use

And the direction is? Inbound/outbound? A CCNE should know that makes a bit of a difference...

WPA is not trivial to crack (or anywhere near as easy to crack as WEP)

WPA cracking using rainbow tables is trivial.

 

[ShadowmanUK]

And the direction is? Inbound/outbound? A CCNE should know that makes a bit of a difference...


WPA cracking using rainbow tables is trivial.

Who's a CCNE?

I don't go into directions, it all depends on the firewall... a lot of router firewalls allow everything out so incoming is fine. Software firewalls is obviously both directions.

Feel free to pick away, from your comments its obvious you just looked at the first page of the site and not actually the FAQ section which is what I was referring to.

As for WPA cracking... whatever, we can talk sht all day if you want to... WPA is the strongest method possible for the Xbox Official adapter so that's what I recommend along with mac filtering etc.

The simple fact is, wardrivers will look for an unprotected network first, then have a go a WEP and then if they are up to it WPA.

No wireless network is 100% secure. I make recommendations on securing a network with a 360 on, as best as possible with the kit involved.

You think the website is rubbish, your entitled to your own opinion, millions of visitors over the years think its a great resource so...... I'd rather go off the feedback of many than of your goodself

 

[def]

Who's a CCNE?

Hm. Your website:

I am a Cisco Certified Network Design/Engineer

Abbreviating it to CCNE, I assumed you were one.

I don't go into directions, it all depends on the firewall... a lot of router firewalls allow everything out so incoming is fine. Software firewalls is obviously both directions.

That's just plain worrying.

 

[ShadowmanUK]

NP/DP actually, you seem to assume a lot.

I'm not sure why your worried, but try not to worry too much.

Anyway...