why recommend a panasonic

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  1. scottyf

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    whats going on on here

    now i wouldnt consider myself a newbie regarding plasmas and i wouldnt say i am a top expert but seeing as i am in the market for a new tv this year i have spent alot of time in this section the last week are so.

    ive used this forum long enough to know that theres alot of snobbery on here as to panasonic/pioneer "supposedly" being the best and the likes of samsung/lg and others looked down on by most.

    i have seen quite a few threads this week by people with not much knowledge of plasma tvs or people making their first steps into this area.
    and this is whats getting to me
    why the hell are people recommending to go out and buy px60/px600 and the like when you can obviously see that these sets have problems and why because its a panasonic(completly bonkers).
    dont get me wrong its a good tv (at a great price)but why
    if you have the tv and you have the problems do you want others to suffer the same as you.
    if you dont,seeing the threads about the purple snakes and the recent poll thread why do you want to recommend a tv that may give the user alot of problems and hassel to get sorted.
    if it was one of the "so called looked down on tvs" people would lining up to slag it off and recommending not to touch with a bargepole,but not a panasonic
    by the looks of it the price is gonna stay the same so why not recommend that they wait and see the outcome of others problems first.
    i just hope people have a bit of common sense and read other threads first


    imo i think alot of the people are doing themselves and this forum a diservice by recommending a set with problems.after all people come on here for advice.

    stands back and waits for the panasonic appreciation society
     
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    Err, got myself a Panasonic, no problems with it and it looks good.
    So what would you suggest (apart from a Panasonic?)
     
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    I have one of these Panasonic plasma's which has started to display the fault's mentioned !
    I am certainly not going to sit here and be part of the "Panasonic appreciation society".
    These TV's however are an extremely good set and give in my opinion the best SD picture quality there is to be had, and an even better upscaled DVD picture from my high end player.
    People on this forum will therefore carry on recommending these set's for the very reason's I have stated - and you must also remember that not every set is affected, nor will everybody who get's one notice the problems.
    It is very dependant on how fussy you are with your AV gear.
    I am extremely fussy but I know a lot of people who would never see the problems that I see.
    And before you start stating that I am upselling this unit because I myself have one, I can assure you I'm not.
    I am a lover of all things Pioneer and was disappointed with all the 427XD's that I looked at when trying to make my decision which plasma to buy - and if Panasonic dont sort this problem out adequately I may still be buying one.
    So I think you will find this is a fairly unbiased view from a Panny owner.
     
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    And by the way, I do consider Panasonic/Pioneer to be far superior to the likes of Samsung/LG and others - just go and take a look for yourself.
    If you are unable to tell any concernable difference then I would suggest you aren't one of the fussy ones - no offence.
     
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    i was looking at the panasonic when the sales started in the new year (good price)and was doing my usual forum checks and noticed all the threads so used my nod and decided to wait for the outcome of the problems

    but its the last thing i would recommend to buy at the moment untill the problems are sorted
     
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    I think that is a wise decision at the moment, no point in getting involved in this hassle if you dont need to.

    But if the problems is sorted I would seriously consider getting one - you won't be disappointed.
     
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    I don't think you should tarnish everyone with the same brush! :nono:
     
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    After having followed the purple snakes thread it was time for me to buy a plasma. I bought a PX60 knowing it could have purple snakes (which it doesn't), but with or without the snakes it still gives for me the best PQ of all the sets I have reviewed. I have no problem recommending the PX60 as it has, without doubt, the best PQ in the sub € 2000 range
     
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    I can second that too, I also owned a Panasonic PW7 42" which was also superb IMHO
     
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    sorry but i just dont understand it you went and bought a tv knowing that theres a high chance you could have problems but bought it anyways
    and what your saying is that even with snakes on dark scenes the picture quality is still above all other brands at the £2000 mark.the snakes are a PQ issue so obviously its not the best PQ

    i dont mean to insult you
    would you go and buy a car knowing a wheel may fall off but its the best at that price range so you will take your chances i wouldnt
     
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    Is there such a thing as a perfect panel though?

    If so I`d like to know, I see Pioneers have problems, LG`s and others.
    So should we just not buy anything atall, and wait until we`re old and grey ?(I`m nearly there anyway ):D
     
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    as i said im not a expert but did this tv have the problems that the models mentioned has
    if not then thats great IYHO it is superb but if it had problems and it was still a big on going thing would you still recommend people to buy it

    thats my point
     
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    I couldn`t fault the PW7 in any way, but it wasn`t a HD set so I upgraded.
     
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    Have you seen one of these sets yet ?
    If you haven't I suggest you go and have a look - the purple snakes issue does not destroy the overall picture quality, it just's destroy your viewing experience when you see ths effect on area's of the screen.
    The effect does not cover the whole screen !

    And by the way I work in the motor trade and I can assure you that if there was a risk of a wheel falling of any cars we wouldn't be letting them out of the door, unlike Panasonic who have a quality control issue or there design team is partially sighted - but then I guess in the real world you would know this.
     
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    I think the thing is, noone knows if there's a "high" chance of getting the problem or not. Let's say generously 200 people on here have complained about it and they've sold 300,000 of them. Are there 298,000 people who haven't found the thread, or are there 1000?

    So he took the chance knowing what to look for and that he could take it back if he wasn't happy.
     
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    As I said earlier, many people will not even notice this problem.
    Not everyone who buys a decent TV looks on forums like this because there not that interested in what they've got technically.
    All they want is to be reassured that they've got a bigger telly than there mates have, let's face it how many times do you see people go into Currys and Comet and say "I want that one" when they point to the first TV they "like the look of" but dont care what the picture quality is like - remember, most of us forum users are here cos we know what we want/have and want to know others opinions.
    We are not your mainstream numpty "Currys and Comet" users - No offence to people who use this forum and have bought from there.
     
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    The difference between a wheel falling off a car and a purple snake on a plasma is that the later does not pose a thread to my health. So what else should I have bought? Some Lg's and pioneer have buzzing issues, some lg's have faulty component and/or RGB inputs, Some pioneers have burn-in issues, Many samsungs produce clay face pictures, hitachi has problems with power supplies and fluctuating brightness.

    I had a 15 days money back guaranty so if I would not have been happy due to purple snakes I just would have returned it. The panasonic might, or might not, have difficulties with certain gradients that's a hell of a lot better then the clay faces I see from the samsungs.

    BTW there seems to be a fix for the snakes anyway, panasonic UK is preparing the logistics to tackle the problem.
     
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    I have to agree with the OP. I have asked as a newbie on here, about the Philips PF7521D/10.

    Not one person has given a valid reason for not buying this plasma, but it's a Philips!

    I have been to a couple of stores in the SW Wales area and the Philips sits next to the Samsung that sits next to the Panny. On display the Samsung looks best followed by the Philips followed by the Panny. As is so frequently said, this is just a store set up with SD shown through 1 aerial to 100 screens.

    I am confused as to why I shouldn't buy the Philips. I really believe that forums help a huge amount and would love an objective opinion.

    I can't decide but I would like to be informed when I do buy. I see so many people extoling the virtues of Panny but see a lot of problems.

    On the other hand people slag off Philips but there isn't one complaint that I can find.

    I am desperate to buy but rely on these forums for great info as there isn't a specialist plasma shop in the area so I have Comet etc...

    Please help a confused Plasma wannabee.

    Matt
     
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    I think you have to put the purple snakes into perspective. OK for some people they are a major issue but others only see them when they get a particular DVD and watch a particular scene!! You even get advice as to which DVD to buy and what scene to watch in order to see the problem.

    I will repeat myself and say there are some who have a real problem with this. But those who couldn't see them and so went out and bought a Harry Potter DVD to watch scene 27 and then want to take the TV back, well really.:rolleyes:
     
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    Panasonic has (better said had as they recently changed it) the worst out-of-the-box settings, when all three have been properly setup you will see the results in reverse order. (although the samsung may end up before the philips)

    I only have bought my panasonic two weeks ago, before that I have spend many hours looking and comparing. When I started I was convinced I would end up with a LG so I was not biased towards panasonic. Both the philps and the samsung I have tested showed clay faces and colour banding this might not be obvious on a SD aerial feed but on freeview and dvd it is.

    for me the order in PQ is

    1 Fuji
    2 Panasonic
    3 Pioneer
    4 Hitachi
    5 LG
    6 Samsung
    7 Philips

    As it is (one off) the best selling plasmas it is no more than logic you will find more complaints about them.

    I would not recommend buying ANY plasma just on forum comments. Better take your time and do travel to a place they have the screens properly setup. Then make your choice on what YOU like and is within your budget. After all you're the one that for the next years have to watch it.
     
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    i think you underestimate the amount of people who use the forum for the sort of deal breaker so to speak when buying items

    i have recommended alot of friends to look here for advice and info when they have seen an item that catches their eye and are undecided.

    they maybe post a few questions on the item and then the next you here from them is when the item has problems and need advice to get it sorted.
     
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    the way i see it is that a problem is a problem regardless of brand and i wouldnt delibratley go out and buy an item that i know is at this time playing up.

    my concern is that if others or myself bought this item and didnt notice any problems then a few months/years i start to notice them then i am stuffed as to full refund or swap fo another model/brand

    the same problems that anyone looking for advice for a new tv and is recommended this set may encounter.
     
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    200 repots is a very large number if thats just this site 1-10 is maybe a small problem but 200 just on here alone i bet the numbers outside of this forum are high aswell
    and what about the first timers that may think this fault is normal for plasmas
    and say nothing.it doesnt give plasmas or panasonic a good name


    also alot of new member or non regular users arent to clued up on returning items and their rights if it is faulty just a look around at the my tv has a fault what do i do now threads will show you that

    this is just my opinion i wouldnt recommend these models to my friends so i wouldnt recommend it to anyone on here either at this time
     
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    I think you have a valid point, but I think as long as people caveat their recommendations, then I can't see a problem.

    I did say "generously" 200 as well. I have no idea how many it is but I would guess something like 100ish
     
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    With my limited experience on this forum I would conclude that the "Panasonic" bandwagon is a result of the excellent TV/panels that they have made - PWD series for instance. That seems to have given them a good rep. And judging by my own panel - it is well deserved.

    I would expect anyone doing research on any forum to do it properly (not hastily) and come to their own conclusion.
     
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    I bought my panny PWD7 about 3 years ago, it was between this and a pioneer. Had a good demo of both in a specialist shop with both running side by side to see the difference. Since then I have had it callibrated and it still looks amazing, so much so I have not yet been tempted enough to upgrade to HD.

    Where do I sign to become an official member of PAS (panasonic appreciation society)???
     
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    I love my PWD6 and despite it being a humble SD panel, it has given me 2 years of fault free, quality service. I recommend Panasonic based on my experience. I could have purchased any panel (or TV) and viewed many.
    I was 'unfortunate' enough to be involved in the repair of plasma panels for 3 years. The worst panels for failure and faults were, Samsung, LG, Philips,JVC and Thomson. But that was 18 months ago. Panasonic and Pioneer were (and still are) head and shoulders above the rest. I have never seen a Fujitsu (apart from some SD panels) in action so only go by what the very experienced installers say.

    So far it looks like maybe 2% of these panels have this issue, maybe more as a lot of users probably won't notice it. If it can be fixed then I'm sure it will be, if it can't then most folks can swap their screen for one that doesn't have the problem.

    I'm installing one next week, I'll let you know what I find.
     
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    I was going to buy a Philips LCD until I found this forum. The set I was looking at was known for switching off at random amongst other things. I looked into other models of Philips on the forum and there seemed to be a theme of 'great innovators but shame the products do not stand up' and the customer service wasn't great either. The problems I saw were more like serious failures whereas I haven't really seen major Panasonic failures. Now bearing in mind there are a lot more Panny users than Philips users on here this could indicate Panny's are less likely to have serious issues.

    Having said that I have found Panasonic and related staff to give terrible support (in relation to the purple artifacts) and purely based on this I would be extremely hesitant to buy anoth Panasonic.

    If you had £1000 to spend though I suspect that with the PX60 being end of line this model will not be around for much longer at about £800 and would be high up anyones list - especially if the purple artifacts gets fixed when I think it would be definitely top of the list.

    The only way for people to recommend the Philips is for people to buy them and test them out.... so why not buy one and give it a run? If you cannot find any negative info about it and you are happy with the picture then maybe it is the TV for you.
     

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