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why is there so much hatred for Corbyn?

Aj33

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clydebest

Distinguished Member
No comment on your post but I love your username - brings back many happy memories of watching the great man from the North Bank. :smashin:
Yes i saw him in the late 60's on the Big Match and when living in London i started to go to matches at The Boleyn and some away also Because of him and that West Ham team of that era.
 

sebbykin

Distinguished Member
In a way, a very small way. I feel sorry for JC, he seems like a fly caught in the momentum web. He has his ideals ( unworkable) but these are stifled by the machine that's using him. Being a bad actor doesn't help either.
 

martimu

Well-known Member
just another day for Labour..

Nothing to see here.. move along..move along.. :D

Still waiting to find the 0.06% who are not anti semetic in the current labour party upper echelons.

Jeremy Corbyn is that classic case of a person fighting a cause that he thinks he knows but has never lived, or really understood. He only sees the black and white of a situation from a righteous perspective without ever bothering to look at the nuance or, as someone else has said, the bigger picture. It's all one-sided

Russia - was once marxist, therefore they are really nice and couldn't possibly hurt a fly (poisoning what poisoning?)
Israel - have big army, therefore must be the bad guys on everything. ( Hamas killing women and children, repressing a population and living comfortably themselves, oh that can't be happening)
Ireland - England have big army, therefore must be the bad guys on this issue (we'll just ignore the religious nutters here they must be nice normal people really)
Wealthy people - have lots of money, all must be bad and screwing the system. None of them paying taxes obviously ( we'll just ignore all the philanthropy, employment creation, and decent ones - can't see my own wealth in this because of my special righteous glasses).

I don't hate him I find him a hypocrite and dangerously simplistic. Yet with an ability to sit on the fence and be duplicitous over a subject ( e.g. Brexit) when it suits.

He's the worst of the left-wing that thinks they know what is best for everybody and would just hammer it in, and blithely continue despite what any evidence to contrary suggests.

If it makes you feel any better I think Johnson is the right-wing equivalent and equally poor in his own way. He has no principles I can discern that don't change when it suits. The only difference being I don't think he'll he'd inadvertently 'do a Venezuela' (which Corbyn seems to have missed with his special glasses on).

I do believe he is anti-semitic btw. He just won't see it with his magic glasses on, he doesn't believe he is.
It's spillover from communism (amongst others) depicting Jews as the wealthy bankers - ironically despite Jewish workers being involved much of the labour movements at the time.

His liking of the mural said as much to me about how he thinks but doesn't actually see. If you can’t see antisemitism, it’s time to open your eyes | Michael Segalov
I'm left wondering if the fact he didn't notice (assuming genuine) is a worse issue, and why it's been so spectacularly poorly dealt with.
For me that sums up how he'd deal with anything under a leadership. Refuse to see a problem, then ignore it in the face of overwhelming evidence, press on as if nothing has happened potentially compounding a problem till it becomes a catastrophe.
 

ostewart

Active Member
The idea they are capable of re-nationalising anything they wish simply by raising taxes is hilarious.

When the incumbents propose to provide additional funding - they shout this will cost a million/billions and has not been fully costed and will somehow only benefit the rich.

... but can find the multi hundred billions to re-nationalise....hmmm

... ah of course I missed the bit the rich and enterprise will pay via their taxes...

***Stop Press*** - Dianne Abbott has just returned from the magical money tree on Momentums' trusty sugar coated unicorn. (having one is permitted and acceptable for those in a position of "helping the "people")
The Tories seem capable of finding money to buy support from the DUP :laugh: support that backfired spectacularly.
 

martimu

Well-known Member
Given some of the press lately, it would seem to be the case of which party can be the most stupid.
What have we had:
BJ, tells Ireland that their deal is great because they are in the EU and get good trade
Dracula R Mogg tells people they are stupid for burning to death
Dyscalculia Abbot can't count how long Ken Clarke was doing something or count a potato apparently
Half the Labour party seem to have come out in support for the conservatives
The SNP seem to have come out in support for the Labour party
Another Labour candidate pulls out after making another anti-semitic remark.

Seriously wtf! Can't wait for the TV debates! Should be comedy gold
 

Steve_B

Well-known Member
The Tories seem capable of finding money to buy support from the DUP :laugh: support that backfired spectacularly.
Indeed they did... around £1 billion I believe was reported at the time - a huge figure, though a drop in the ocean compared to the £400 billion being proposed by Labour in the last day or so.

£1 billion is probably washing around in the treasury's slush fund - not sure £400 billion will be though... I wish them good luck.

Yes that money may well have been better spent on other issues...
 

5hp

Standard Member
OK, not hatred, but:

For me Corbyn is an old idealistic fool.

  • A history of supporting undesirables, IRA, Hezbollha & even Russia
  • Anti-Israel (no idea if anti-Jew but doubt it, he's not racist IMO)
  • Can't seem to make a decision
  • No charisma, poor public image
  • Wants to unilaterally get rid of our nuclear deterrent (this alone is a no-no for me)
  • Wants strong Unions to hold country to ransom again as per 70's
  • Doesn't understand that if you tax wealthy too much they will just leave & take their business & job creation activities with them. Needs to be done world over and no chance.
I do like the idea of nationalising Water & Energy industry infrastructure but operated by private, none profit companies. Don't want to go back to state employees in large numbers able to hold country to ransom with wages, terms & conditions etc.

When Ed Miliband stabbed his brother Dave Miliband in the back by getting unions & members to back him (not elected MP's) he then changed labour voting system in their favour to give more power to Unions/Membership and away from the elected MP's.

When MP's wanted to get rid of Corbyn they couldn't because the militant Momentum membership & Unions now had more power to block what the elected MP's wanted which is why he is still here even though he as nearly the lowest rating of any potential leader.

From the electorate (my) perspective it is the MP's that should have the main power over selecting the Labour leadership. They are the ones we can vote in & out. Any idiot with extreme views can pay their few quid to join the Labour Party diluting the sensible membership and the Union leaders that hold large sway are normally just the biggest gobsh*te that has worked his way through the union representing a membership that just pays their weekly/monthly fee with little interest who heads it (from my experience in industry in Big Lens union).

So, Labour has some serious issues that even getting rid of team Corbyn might not solve while Momentum has their claws into the running of it. (was Militant in 70's & 80's)

I've voted Labour more than any party in my life but I couldn't vote for them now. When my 80 yo mother who must have been born with a red stripe through her spine and has blindly voted labour all her life isn't voting Labour that says it all really. I live in Miners & steelworkers backyard in South Yorkshire and have never heard as many Labour supporters looking at alternatives to voting Labour.

They should get money and lobbying out of politics, with recognised/approved parties funded by taxation. We could then have a Labour type party not controlled by Unions & a Conservative type party not controlled by big money/corporations.
Is then only option for not going back to 70's to vote Liberal, since voting labour, conservative, brexit party I think all will do that one way or another.
 

MrFraggle

Distinguished Member
Unfortunately it is not just Corbyn I find obnoxious, you can add Diane Abbot, Rebecca Long-Bailey who seems to sneer all the time,John McDoonnell who is on another planet when it comes to money,Richard Burgon who just seems to want to kiss Cobyns bum, Keir Starmer who comes across a a greasy spiv and Shami Chakrabarti who has the be the most blatantly dishonest politician in quite a while, still she got an honour out of it.
 

Iain42

Well-known Member
Unfortunately it is not just Corbyn I find obnoxious, you can add Diane Abbot, Rebecca Long-Bailey who seems to sneer all the time,John McDoonnell who is on another planet when it comes to money,Richard Burgon who just seems to want to kiss Cobyns bum, Keir Starmer who comes across a a greasy spiv and Shami Chakrabarti who has the be the most blatantly dishonest politician in quite a while, still she got an honour out of it.
Can't believe Emily Thornberry hasn't made your list.
 

XxSLYxx

Standard Member
Boris gets voted in by Tory members why should the labour party be any different.
When Corbyn became leader it saw its membership rise massively.
Was that due to unions or was it the message he was bringing to the table.
A message of change and something different.
People hark in about the 70's and 80's of unions and having to much power.
Inflation was running at like 30% by the end of the 70s private sector pay was booming yet public sector pay was on hold by the then labour government due to inflation.
I'm happy people are critical of Israel I have many Jewish friends who are also critical of Israeli foreign policy.
Does that mean JC is an antisemite no not for me I don't think he's at all racist either.
As for the terrorist links and what not he's provided explanations for everything.
Seems if your a Tory your allowed to meet the IRA and have discussions on how to move forward towards a peace process.
Or even run as an MP for the Tories if you have links with the IRA.
But God forbid JC having a conversation with some difficult people.
I see Gorbachev was on the BBC today saying there should be no nuclear weapons in the world at all.
I'm also happy to get rid of nuclear deterrent.
Waste of money.
I'll be voting for JC he's not a racist I don't think he can be bought and has been on the right side of voting in parliament for the last 30 years.
Lol. "He's provided an explanation for everything" how gullible are you exactly, it's not just a few meetings, the man's been a terrorist sympathiser for years and he's not exactly tryed to keep it a secret. When it comes to other countries getting up to tricks he's totally fine with it and makes all the excuses he can become he hates how western culture works. I always wondered what kind of people would vote for this scumbag and you've shown how gullible some people are. I heard Gorbachev saying there shouldn't be any nukes in the world so let's all believe him and get rid of ours. What?! I'm just glad your not running the country.
 

daneccles

Active Member
Corbyn's real problem is that he has made his life in parliament by objecting to everything and doesn't know how to do anything else. When he was put forward as a party leader candidate it was a token gesture and no one, probably not even him, remotely believed he'd get the job. Unfortunately for the serious candidates, he was the only one who could stand up and deliver a half decent speech, albeit short on content, but with plenty of fire and rhetoric. As leader, he simply can't offer anything constructive because he has never needed to before and doesn't know how.
 

Jim Di Griz

Distinguished Member
I think the real question is....when the time comes (and I don't think its far away) - will he step down? I have a feeling he will refuse.
 

Badger0-0

Distinguished Member
OK, not hatred, but:



When Ed Miliband stabbed his brother Dave Miliband in the back by getting unions & members to back him (not elected MP's) he then changed labour voting system in their favour to give more power to Unions/Membership and away from the elected MP's.

When MP's wanted to get rid of Corbyn they couldn't because the militant Momentum membership & Unions now had more power to block what the elected MP's wanted which is why he is still here even though he as nearly the lowest rating of any potential leader.

From the electorate (my) perspective it is the MP's that should have the main power over selecting the Labour leadership. They are the ones we can vote in & out. Any idiot with extreme views can pay their few quid to join the Labour Party diluting the sensible membership and the Union leaders that hold large sway are normally just the biggest gobsh*te that has worked his way through the union representing a membership that just pays their weekly/monthly fee with little interest who heads it (from my experience in industry in Big Lens union).

So, Labour has some serious issues that even getting rid of team Corbyn might not solve while Momentum has their claws into the running of it. (was Militant in 70's & 80's)

I've voted Labour more than any party in my life but I couldn't vote for them now. When my 80 yo mother who must have been born with a red stripe through her spine and has blindly voted labour all her life isn't voting Labour that says it all really. I live in Miners & steelworkers backyard in South Yorkshire and have never heard as many Labour supporters looking at alternatives to voting Labour.

They should get money and lobbying out of politics, with recognised/approved parties funded by taxation. We could then have a Labour type party not controlled by Unions & a Conservative type party not controlled by big money/corporations.
This is a big problem for Labour.

I think the vast majority of people forget why the party was called what it is.
It's about LABOUR or simply everyday working class people and is exactly why choosing the leader should not be left to a few hundred people, even if they're elected.
It's down to the NEC and rightly so.

The fact that so many people dislike Corbyn is obvious to my mind.
It's because the right wing press consistently tell them to dislike him through their endless only ever looking at any downside.
He's a small threat to business, it's as simple as that.

Anyone remember the business community saying the minimum wage would ruin companies?
What a load of tosh/lies that turned out to be and even the tories now see that if you put more money in poorer people's pockets, they'll spend it.
As opposed to putting it in rich people's pockets where they'll just save or invest it.

Ultimately, many of the things that Labour propose are in favour of the working man, (ending the gig economy, serious investment in our infrastructure and privatising utilities etc) so I find it quite ironic that the same people are turning their back on the party.

But that's how people are. You tell them something often enough and they'll believe it.

All said as a lifelong Labour voter who turned his back on politics after Tony Blair had the biggest mandate to actually change things, since the war.
But turned out to be just another tory in disguise.
Which is all so called Labour "moderates" are, imo.

It's why politics is rubbish and no-one really cares anymore.
The main parties are chasing the centre ground and if that's the case, you're always going to come up with similar ideas, with little to differentiate between them.
Big debt or bigger debt is a classic example.

Corbyn threatens that and while I don't particularly like him personally, I don't see how we've progressed much in the last 20 years.
The fact that we have loads of foodbanks nowadays, particularly when we have record lows for ages when it comes to unemployment, tells me plenty though.
Politics isn't working.

In short, yes, it's all media driven.
 

RedZep

Active Member
Sounds low as a percentage, but by quick calculation it is more people than the Labour party has MPs...
... and a very high proportion of those accused of anti-semitism have close links to those running the party at the moment. There’s a highly anti-Semitic clique at the heart of the movement
 

XxSLYxx

Standard Member
Do you not read anything above. People don't like him cos he's a terrorist sympathiser and hates the west. HE DOES NOT HIDE THIS. The labour party has not been the working man's party for years, those hateful crap smearing minions he has traipsing round after him are just as if not more so as stuck up as the Tory's (private schools etc) Dianne Abbott being a prime example. People actually have eyes you know and are not as stupid as you seem to think, they don't just pick up a paper and think it's gospel. And that term right wing seems to be the go to term for anyone not bright enough to articulate actual terms appropriate for the actual context of the situation. Maybe have a bit more respect for your countrymen they're brighter than you think and hate modern labour for very good reasons.
 

barrywi

Active Member
How many of the Labour front bench send their kids to private schools?
Jeremy and his mates are not so closet communists.
Name one fair and prosperous communist country.
I hope every kid at school reads the book Animal Farm, but I bet it will be the Thoughts of chairman Mao. How many people did he and Stalin make disappear?
I am not saying the Tories are perfect by a long way but what is the alternative....a Labour / Lib Dem/ Green / Scot nat coalition? Pass me my suicide pill.
It is ok I wont do it but the country would go down the pan.
 

jfinnie

Distinguished Member
... and a very high proportion of those accused of anti-semitism have close links to those running the party at the moment. There’s a highly anti-Semitic clique at the heart of the movement
I'll happily admit to not knowing much about the subject of Anti-semitism and the Labour party, but I do have an intense dislike of numbers being (ab)used to make a point.

I am totally filled with dread by the state of politics in this country. But given that I don't feel motivated enough to do anything about it, I'm not totally sure I have much right to complain about it, either.

I'm just going to lock myself in the cinema room 'til it is all over. Can someone come and get me in 10 years or so? :)
 

Badger0-0

Distinguished Member
Do you not read anything above. People don't like him cos he's a terrorist sympathiser and hates the west. HE DOES NOT HIDE THIS. The labour party has not been the working man's party for years, those hateful crap smearing minions he has traipsing round after him are just as if not more so as stuck up as the Tory's (private schools etc) Dianne Abbott being a prime example. People actually have eyes you know and are not as stupid as you seem to think, they don't just pick up a paper and think it's gospel. And that term right wing seems to be the go to term for anyone not bright enough to articulate actual terms appropriate for the actual context of the situation. Maybe have a bit more respect for your countrymen they're brighter than you think and hate modern labour for very good reasons.
I assume that's aimed at me?

Hah, you sound just like the Daily Mail or the Sun, only they do it in a more subtle way.

It's quite laughable.

Anti semitism often gets picked on, but Labour are not alone with this sort of problem.
You'll be telling me the tories love foreigners of any sort next.
Well, they do I suppose, if they have lots of money.

It's exactly your sort of debate that makes me not give a toss anymore.

Unsubscribed.
No, better still, I'll just ignore you.
 
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ErnB

Novice Member
He deserves a lot of flak, especially for the anti-Semitism, appeasing Russia, pushing out moderate Labour MPs, etc; but I find it disproportionate relative to what other parties and politicians get for their similar behaviour .... so yep, media driven to a certain degree, considering our mostly right wing press, combined with those issues along with his general awkwardness.
First off, meeting and discussing things with the IRA or the PLO does not necessarily imply sympathy or collusion with enemies, but is a first step in negotiating a settlement or a reduction in hostilities. WW I & II were both ended following meetings between the German and British High Commands. Jeremy Corbyn did most of the groundwork and is that resulted in the Good Friday Agreement . As in most things political these days, it is all false news and political interference. In Corbyn's case it is all down to interference in British politics by Israel. Secret filming of events at the 2016 Labour Party conference showed the Israeli Ambassador and embassy officials hatching plans to discredit Corbyn for his criticism of Israel. interferences
OK, not hatred, but:

For me Corbyn is an old idealistic fool.

  • A history of supporting undesirables, IRA, Hezbollha & even Russia
  • Anti-Israel (no idea if anti-Jew but doubt it, he's not racist IMO)
  • Can't seem to make a decision
  • No charisma, poor public image
  • Wants to unilaterally get rid of our nuclear deterrent (this alone is a no-no for me)
  • Wants strong Unions to hold country to ransom again as per 70's
  • Doesn't understand that if you tax wealthy too much they will just leave & take their business & job creation activities with them. Needs to be done world over and no chance.
I do like the idea of nationalising Water & Energy industry infrastructure but operated by private, none profit companies. Don't want to go back to state employees in large numbers able to hold country to ransom with wages, terms & conditions etc.

When Ed Miliband stabbed his brother Dave Miliband in the back by getting unions & members to back him (not elected MP's) he then changed labour voting system in their favour to give more power to Unions/Membership and away from the elected MP's.

When MP's wanted to get rid of Corbyn they couldn't because the militant Momentum membership & Unions now had more power to block what the elected MP's wanted which is why he is still here even though he as nearly the lowest rating of any potential leader.

From the electorate (my) perspective it is the MP's that should have the main power over selecting the Labour leadership. They are the ones we can vote in & out. Any idiot with extreme views can pay their few quid to join the Labour Party diluting the sensible membership and the Union leaders that hold large sway are normally just the biggest gobsh*te that has worked his way through the union representing a membership that just pays their weekly/monthly fee with little interest who heads it (from my experience in industry in Big Lens union).

So, Labour has some serious issues that even getting rid of team Corbyn might not solve while Momentum has their claws into the running of it. (was Militant in 70's & 80's)

I've voted Labour more than any party in my life but I couldn't vote for them now. When my 80 yo mother who must have been born with a red stripe through her spine and has blindly voted labour all her life isn't voting Labour that says it all really. I live in Miners & steelworkers backyard in South Yorkshire and have never heard as many Labour supporters looking at alternatives to voting Labour.

They should get money and lobbying out of politics, with recognised/approved parties funded by taxation. We could then have a Labour type party not controlled by Unions & a Conservative type party not controlled by big money/corporations.
 

XxSLYxx

Standard Member
Insulting / swearing / racist / threatening in the extreme
I assume that's aimed at me?

Hah, you sound just like the Daily Mail or the Sun, only they do it in a more subtle way.

It's quite laughable.

Anti semitism often gets picked on, but Labour are not alone with this sort of problem.
You'll be telling me the tories love foreigners of any sort next.
Well, they do I suppose, if they have lots of money.

It's exactly your sort of debate that makes me not give a toss anymore.

Unsubscribed.
Seriously, that's the best you've got? "You sound like the sun" and " Tory's are waaaacist" not everything revolves around skin colour and the fact you resort to sound bites for your argument says everything about you.lol. everythings actually there in front of your face about Corbyn (not in the papers) but then being a brainless drone and not being able to figure much out makes you a perfect labour supporter. Congratulations, your a ****.
 

Kindra

Standard Member
I can't talk for everyone else, but I dislike JC and LAbour because they moved the party away from the center ground and provided no genuine opposition to the conservatives who themselves have dropped the ball on numerous occasions.
When you have Borris Johnson promising to remove the freeze on benefits cap, you know that something has gone terribly wrong in politics.
But it's Brexit issue that has really pushed a lot of these parties to breaking point, exposing weaknesses and an inability to lead. There will be no winners at the end of all this.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
First off, meeting and discussing things with the IRA or the PLO does not necessarily imply sympathy or collusion with enemies, but is a first step in negotiating a settlement or a reduction in hostilities. WW I & II were both ended following meetings between the German and British High Commands. Jeremy Corbyn did most of the groundwork and is that resulted in the Good Friday Agreement .
Corbyn, a Labour back bencher, was responsible for the GFA? Or am I reading that last sentence wrong?
 

Teerex

Active Member
The anti-Corbyn comments here simply repeating the unfounded stories in the media is further evidence that if you repeat something in the media long enough people will accept it as true.
Corbyn has spent a long time fighting against injustice and racism in its various forms but somehow he's anti-semitic. It's laughable.
He fights for equality for the ordinary man, but the ordinary man says he looks funny and has weird ideas.
Just to address a couple of things, how exactly has the nuclear option helped us out or our economy? Has it made us safer? Are we better than countries that don't have it? Yes it gives us a seat at the security council etc but it doesn't put food on my table. So the rich and wealthy are going to run away if labour win, and the country will go downhill? Ah, that old chestnut. They won't go anywhere and it's all empty threats. Also anyone that is happy to make their money here but not happy to pay their taxes here (whatever level is set) is the real danger to our way of life and the real benefit cheat. Also, what about the racism and islamophobia in the tory party and with Boris? Sajid Javid felt it was an issue sometime ago, but now he's in government its not an issue anymore. The hypocrisy is laughable. Anyway, I'll be labelled a communist and terrorist lover shortly.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
No Jeremy, your input is more than welcome. :devil:
 

raduv1

Distinguished Member
The anti-Corbyn comments here simply repeating the unfounded stories in the media is further evidence that if you repeat something in the media long enough people will accept it as true.
Corbyn has spent a long time fighting against injustice and racism in its various forms but somehow he's anti-semitic. It's laughable.
He fights for equality for the ordinary man, but the ordinary man says he looks funny and has weird ideas.
Just to address a couple of things, how exactly has the nuclear option helped us out or our economy? Has it made us safer? Are we better than countries that don't have it? Yes it gives us a seat at the security council etc but it doesn't put food on my table. So the rich and wealthy are going to run away if labour win, and the country will go downhill? Ah, that old chestnut. They won't go anywhere and it's all empty threats. Also anyone that is happy to make their money here but not happy to pay their taxes here (whatever level is set) is the real danger to our way of life and the real benefit cheat. Also, what about the racism and islamophobia in the tory party and with Boris? Sajid Javid felt it was an issue sometime ago, but now he's in government its not an issue anymore. The hypocrisy is laughable. Anyway, I'll be labelled a communist and terrorist lover shortly.
So your auguement is that media has overplayed antisemitism in the labour party , nothing to see there . Then use the same trope to attack the Conservatives on islamophobia. Is this not the actual definition of hypocrisy ?

You can't see fault in your party of choice ?
 

doug56hl

Distinguished Member
Corbyn, a Labour back bencher, was responsible for the GFA? Or am I reading that last sentence wrong?
Before agreements you have to have discussions...
“The sticking point of the process concerned ‘prisoner release’; it was Corbyn who advised Mowlam to visit H block to talk directly with prison reps whilst both Corbyn and his staff worked on the anomalies of prisoner release for months at a time.

It’s a matter of record that Mo Mowlam personally asked for Corbyn to help in the peace process when it stalled in the initial stages of Blair’s government.

"It's a matter of record that Mo Mowlam personally asked for Corbyn to help in the Northern Ireland Peace Process" - Nye Bevan News
 

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