why is there so much hatred for Corbyn?

reiteration

Distinguished Member
is it all media driven..?

I've got friends who can't stand him and will never vote labour whilst he's in charge (normally citing the fact he supports the IRA etc)...they won't vote conservative either it seems..

so, if they hate for Corbyn is real, then why don't labour get someone else in instead?
 

krish

Distinguished Member
He deserves a lot of flak, especially for the anti-Semitism, appeasing Russia, pushing out moderate Labour MPs, etc; but I find it disproportionate relative to what other parties and politicians get for their similar behaviour .... so yep, media driven to a certain degree, considering our mostly right wing press, combined with those issues along with his general awkwardness.
 

psikey

Distinguished Member
OK, not hatred, but:

For me Corbyn is an old idealistic fool.

  • A history of supporting undesirables, IRA, Hezbollha & even Russia
  • Anti-Israel (no idea if anti-Jew but doubt it, he's not racist IMO)
  • Can't seem to make a decision
  • No charisma, poor public image
  • Wants to unilaterally get rid of our nuclear deterrent (this alone is a no-no for me)
  • Wants strong Unions to hold country to ransom again as per 70's
  • Doesn't understand that if you tax wealthy too much they will just leave & take their business & job creation activities with them. Needs to be done world over and no chance.
I do like the idea of nationalising Water & Energy industry infrastructure but operated by private, none profit companies. Don't want to go back to state employees in large numbers able to hold country to ransom with wages, terms & conditions etc.

When Ed Miliband stabbed his brother Dave Miliband in the back by getting unions & members to back him (not elected MP's) he then changed labour voting system in their favour to give more power to Unions/Membership and away from the elected MP's.

When MP's wanted to get rid of Corbyn they couldn't because the militant Momentum membership & Unions now had more power to block what the elected MP's wanted which is why he is still here even though he as nearly the lowest rating of any potential leader.

From the electorate (my) perspective it is the MP's that should have the main power over selecting the Labour leadership. They are the ones we can vote in & out. Any idiot with extreme views can pay their few quid to join the Labour Party diluting the sensible membership and the Union leaders that hold large sway are normally just the biggest gobsh*te that has worked his way through the union representing a membership that just pays their weekly/monthly fee with little interest who heads it (from my experience in industry in Big Lens union).

So, Labour has some serious issues that even getting rid of team Corbyn might not solve while Momentum has their claws into the running of it. (was Militant in 70's & 80's)

I've voted Labour more than any party in my life but I couldn't vote for them now. When my 80 yo mother who must have been born with a red stripe through her spine and has blindly voted labour all her life isn't voting Labour that says it all really. I live in Miners & steelworkers backyard in South Yorkshire and have never heard as many Labour supporters looking at alternatives to voting Labour.

They should get money and lobbying out of politics, with recognised/approved parties funded by taxation. We could then have a Labour type party not controlled by Unions & a Conservative type party not controlled by big money/corporations.
 
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gavinhanly

Well-known Member
Yes, the only thing getting rid of Corbyn now is either Corbyn himself or Momentum removing support. Both should change their tune after the election, if polls are to be believed. However, there's still a chance he could dig his claws in, even after a defeat. Just depends on how bad the result is/ how stubborn he is.
 

Cliff

Distinguished Member
is it all media driven..?

I've got friends who can't stand him and will never vote labour whilst he's in charge (normally citing the fact he supports the IRA etc)...they won't vote conservative either it seems..

so, if they hate for Corbyn is real, then why don't labour get someone else in instead?
Hate is the wrong word. If he came to my house this afternoon, I’d offer him tea.
The problem with Corbyn is that he is an idealistic old fool. His ideas are from the 60s and 70s and they didn’t work then. Almost the whole country was in the grip of the unions and was bankrupt. Sick man of Europe etc. We don’t want to go back to that. Nationalising everything is a bad idea. It leads in poor work practices and management. When things go wrong, the government has to put more money in or face strike action.
As for his ideas on disarmament, well that was another throw back from the old days and CND.
He is at his best on a soap box, protesting. Just not the right man to run a country.
 

FireCrackerJim

Well-known Member
is it all media driven..?

I've got friends who can't stand him and will never vote labour whilst he's in charge (normally citing the fact he supports the IRA etc)...they won't vote conservative either it seems..

so, if they hate for Corbyn is real, then why don't labour get someone else in instead?
They tried but the unions and College VSBs saved him from the gallows setup for him from his own MPs
 

IronGiant

Moderator
Translation: his MPs gave him a vote of no confidence, but that has no effect without the support of the party members who voted him in.
 

gamerste

Active Member
Boris gets voted in by Tory members why should the labour party be any different.
When Corbyn became leader it saw its membership rise massively.
Was that due to unions or was it the message he was bringing to the table.
A message of change and something different.
People hark in about the 70's and 80's of unions and having to much power.
Inflation was running at like 30% by the end of the 70s private sector pay was booming yet public sector pay was on hold by the then labour government due to inflation.
I'm happy people are critical of Israel I have many Jewish friends who are also critical of Israeli foreign policy.
Does that mean JC is an antisemite no not for me I don't think he's at all racist either.
As for the terrorist links and what not he's provided explanations for everything.
Seems if your a Tory your allowed to meet the IRA and have discussions on how to move forward towards a peace process.
Or even run as an MP for the Tories if you have links with the IRA.
But God forbid JC having a conversation with some difficult people.
I see Gorbachev was on the BBC today saying there should be no nuclear weapons in the world at all.
I'm also happy to get rid of nuclear deterrent.
Waste of money.
I'll be voting for JC he's not a racist I don't think he can be bought and has been on the right side of voting in parliament for the last 30 years.
 

Doghouse Riley

Active Member
He's a joke.

His last election promise, to get students to vote for him, was that he'd abolish university fees and those who'd payed them would get a refund.


Now he's promising to insulate every home and give many discounted energy bills.

I think the budget calculations for these initiatives, must be made for him by Diane Abbot.
She's as thick as two short planks and can't count.

This, from another thread summed her up

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gamerste

Active Member
He's a joke.

His last election promise, to get students to vote for him, was that he'd abolish university fees and those who'd payed them would get a refund.


Now he's promising to insulate every home and give many discounted energy bills.

I think the budget calculations are madee for him by Diane Abbot.
She's as thick as two short planks.
Last manifesto was costed.
 

FireCrackerJim

Well-known Member
indeed Corbyn is an antisemite and and Ira supporting clown, and a commie too, Big Business will FLEE! FLEE! for their lives if this tyrant gets into power...........But he wont, the british public are too sensible.
 

gamerste

Active Member
indeed Corbyn is an antisemite and and Ira supporting clown, and a commie too, Big Business will FLEE! FLEE! for their lives if this tyrant gets into power...........But he wont, the british public are too sensible.
Gaining in the polls and parliament hasn't even been dissolved yet
 

BlueOrange25

Well-known Member
I can only speak on the people I know. Generally, regardless of background, education, job and so on, most are comfortable being in the middle, maybe leaning a little to the left or right depending on the issue.

If there's a preference for straying away from the middle or the moderate, it's unsurprising that so many aren't trusting of the hard left. Conservative governments from 1979 to 1997. Then came Blair's three terms (followed by Brown). Then the Conservatives back at the wheel since 2010.

The usual Conservative-supporting media outlets take a dig. The left-leaning media sometimes shows a degree of scepticism. It's a lot to ask for the electorate to take a step into the unknown AKA Corbynland.

I think some voters who are undecided are turned off 'Corbynistas'. Their unwavering support and tone regardless of the matter is mystifying. There's enough abuse and bile from right-wing supporters and media without the left pouring petrol on the fire.
 

raduv1

Distinguished Member
I have no hatred for JC , I just hate how far left his leadership and momentum have taken the party. I'm not keen on a 70s revival Labour , it did not work then and will not today.
 

Goooner

Distinguished Member
Boris gets voted in by Tory members why should the labour party be any different.
Their party, their rules. Either party can do whatever they want, so long as they follow their own rules.
 

EarthRod

Distinguished Member
When Jeremy first came to lead the Labour Party in 2015 I was quite happy to see a 'proper' Labour politician take up the reins, even if he is an anti-establishment person. He is after all a socialist keen on getting Labour back to what it used to be: a socialist Party for ordinary people working within a capitalist system.

However it soon became apparent he is not appealing to voters in general because of his weakness as an opposition leader and signs of incompetence were showing, probably because he went from a being a backbench MP to becoming a senior Party leader without serving time as a shadow head of department which is the usual progression.

To cut a long story short, over the years he hasn't leant how to be a statesman and shows no charisma in leadership. Basically a second-rate jumped-up politician. However, he has a personality which his followers admire and sticks consistently to his 1970s hard left political ideals.

I don't hate the man or even dislike him - he is what he is, but I will not be voting Labour while he is leader.
 

Liquid101

Distinguished Member
When Jeremy first came to lead the Labour Party in 2015 I was quite happy to see a 'proper' Labour politician take up the reins, even if he is an anti-establishment person. He is after all a socialist keen on getting Labour back to what it used to be: a socialist Party for ordinary people working within a capitalist system.

However it soon became apparent he is not appealing to voters in general because of his weakness as an opposition leader and signs of incompetence were showing, probably because he went from a being a backbench MP to becoming a senior Party leader without serving time as a shadow head of department which is the usual progression.

To cut a long story short, over the years he hasn't leant how to be a statesman and shows no charisma in leadership. Basically a second-rate jumped-up politician. However, he has a personality which his followers admire and sticks consistently to his 1970s hard left political ideals.

I don't hate the man or even dislike him - he is what he is, but I will not be voting Labour while he is leader.
Completely agree.

The most annoying thing about Corbyn is that either he can't see how he is destroying Labours chances of winging an election - or he does, and simply doesn't care.

If Labour had chosen the right Miliband in the first place, I think we'd be looking at a very different political landscape at the moment.
 

SimonB91

Active Member
I would probably go as far to say quite the opposite, among my millennials generation, his popularity is unquestionable and he can do no wrong. Maybe we don’t know enough about what it was like in the 70s/80s, but everyone praises him far too highly and likes to think Boris is a numpty. I would also say the media are far from central regarding it too.
 

Aj33

Active Member
I would probably go as far to say quite the opposite, among my millennials generation, his popularity is unquestionable and he can do no wrong.
I fall into the millennial bracket - I can’t stand Corbyn and all of his front bench.
 

IronGiant

Moderator
indeed Corbyn is an antisemite and and Ira supporting clown, and a commie too, Big Business will FLEE! FLEE! for their lives if this tyrant gets into power...........But he wont, the british public are too sensible.
MOD COMMENT: Maybe, just maybe, if you posted like an adult and not a 12 year old, people would take you more seriously.
 

Aj33

Active Member
It is nice to find another like minded millennial!
plenty of us out there. People are just shy to say it.

much like people are afraid/shy in saying what BS cultural Marxism/intersectional/woke-ness is.
 

psikey

Distinguished Member
Boris gets voted in by Tory members why should the labour party be any different.
When Corbyn became leader it saw its membership rise massively.
Was that due to unions or was it the message he was bringing to the table.
A message of change and something different.
People hark in about the 70's and 80's of unions and having to much power.
Inflation was running at like 30% by the end of the 70s private sector pay was booming yet public sector pay was on hold by the then labour government due to inflation.
I'm happy people are critical of Israel I have many Jewish friends who are also critical of Israeli foreign policy.
Does that mean JC is an antisemite no not for me I don't think he's at all racist either.
As for the terrorist links and what not he's provided explanations for everything.
Seems if your a Tory your allowed to meet the IRA and have discussions on how to move forward towards a peace process.
Or even run as an MP for the Tories if you have links with the IRA.
But God forbid JC having a conversation with some difficult people.
I see Gorbachev was on the BBC today saying there should be no nuclear weapons in the world at all.
I'm also happy to get rid of nuclear deterrent.
Waste of money.
I'll be voting for JC he's not a racist I don't think he can be bought and has been on the right side of voting in parliament for the last 30 years.
Tories get the MP's to shortlist the two most suitable then the members can pick.

If Labour did same Corbyn would not have been selected.

Electorate pick MP's and they should pick or shortlist candidates.

Most electorate don't get to choose Union Leaders or want to be members of a given party.
 

Ste7en

Distinguished Member
Primark Lenin is a joke and, as a labour member, I'd never consider voting Labour again. Unless Tumnus buggers off back to Narnia.

The whole anti-Semitism is racisim-lite is disgusting.
 

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