I know that some people do not like to mod their kit, for voiding warranty... etc... but for those who dont really care, why would you buy the +160, when it seems that upgrading your HD is becomming more successful. The jump from £99 to £399 for 4x the storage is ridiculous (even a 250gb will only set you back around £110, oh and the 2 non fucitonal usb ports..... maybe we will be able to plug in joypads to play those wonderful interactive games ( )!!! I stumbled accross this forum again about a week or two back, when I was looking to subscribe to sky+, and saw the +160, and thought that it looked appealing... remembering what Id read a while ago about problems upgrading the HD, the 17min bug... but all these now seem to have been eradicated, it seems due to sky software upgrades to both V1 & V2 boxes.... With this in mind, as a new subscirber... I would be best sticking to the original Sky+ and sticking in a HD myself...???