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Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by John Watts, Jul 17, 2002.

  1. John Watts

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    I've noticed alot of people here REALLY dont like BOSE,

    In a constructive mannor please (no slanderous comments) tell me why your opinions are not so good on there products
    Ive been told that their trebble is quite good and bass ok but no middle due to the size of accoustimass speakers this makes sence

    Also is there anyone in the BOSE corner who likes them and will fight their cause

    please let me know your thoughts
    regards,John.
     
  2. Ian J

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    Why - do you want to buy some or just provoke an argument.

    This subject has been covered to death and a search through previous posts will give you all of the information and opinions that you need without the necessity of going through it all over again
     
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    I agree - search for BOSE and you will get all the BOSE likers and all the BOSE dislikers - no point in starting again
     
  4. John Watts

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    i understand guys,thanks
     
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    That's all very well saying search the other posts but I assume new members join the site + some people even change their minds while others have not replied to the original thread (like me)

    I have listened to Bose in one of the big department stores and thought it to be awful, It seemed to have a thumping bass that would have given me headache on a long term listen it was just so intrusive rather than part of the music, it also made the singer Lou Rawls's voice sound screechy and for those people who know him is quite a feat. The base and treble just seem quite separate.

    If you like a 'warm' sound stay well away.

    Not my cup of tea at all.
     
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    A few reasons to not like bose:

    1) Sound awfull, like Brox says, no mid range, some lower treble but no real top end, and the bass is warm and thumpy.

    2) Build quality is awfull, a nice cheap plasticy enclosure, with a set of top quality spring clips on the back.

    3) I'd never but from a hifi/speaker maunfacturer whos aim is to simply to make the smallest box that can make a noise rather than sound good.


    (Obviously this only refers to the bose cube speakers, their others seem to be fairly good, especially the pro P.A. ones).
     
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    In other words, pretty much like a lot of other cheap sub/sat combinations - except Bose are far from being cheap in price.

    From what I've heard of them, they'd probably compete with many other small sat/sub setups at £200 or so - but to be expected to pay £1000 for this level of performance is taking the p*&s a bit IMO. (talking about the AM15(?), the lowest price 5.1 setup to include an active sub (or more accurately, bass module))
    As ReTro says, the build quality isn't commensurate with the price either.

    That's why many people don't like Bose.
     
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    the other reason people dont like Bose is their lack of reviews, and (it seems) the company's general resistance to these.

    all in all, this just makes you think they have something to hide.. the only conclusion you can draw from this is the speakers are basically c**p in comparision to all other makes.

    I've nipped into the one at Cheshire Oaks a few times while the missus shopped... just for the humour value mostly.

    the ones I've heard have been pretty awful... just a big advertising bluff? who knows.
     
  9. John Watts

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    Im with you all folks but BOSE ac'mass dont use cheapy spring clips retro
    They use a moulded connection from the sub(module) to the sats
     
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    What an advertising bluff this is! they seem to do quite well, a lot of non-hi fi/av people would say that Bose are the best, well Bose or B&O. anyway, the type of person that buys a Bose system wants a small discrete system that sounds good (to them) and will pass the wife test, ultimate sound quality isn't essential. my opinion, give me an acoustic energy ego 5 system anyday:p
     
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    Amen - the Aego P5 Rocks - and is definately wife friendly - still can't get over the sound quality from the little sods
     
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    I said read the other reviews because they always turn out like this -

    alot of people not liking BOSE and then

    alot of people ( who have them in their houses and set them up correctly ) like them alot

    So without going down the same old route I would still say do a search for BOSE and you will get all the PRO arguements ( instead of all the naff negative ones )
     
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    A lot of people who have them in their house and have not set them up correctly will still say that they like them a lot because they paid a lot of money for them and it is human nature not to admit that you may have made a mistake.
     
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    Alot of money is 1000 pounds? - this is what you have to pay for home cinema speaker system these days

    The Gallo speakers cost 1350 pounds ( more than the AM15 )
     
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    Well let's just say there are a lot better setups than Bose Am15s available for a lot less than £1000.
    You certainly don't have to pay £1000, or anywhere near it for a decent home cinema speaker system - you have to pay £1000 for a Bose AM15 home cinema speaker system, and whether £1000 is a lot of money or not (it bloody well is for a lot of people), it's a lot of money for such a low level of performance as the AM15 can serve up.

    If someone likes their Bose kit and thinks it was good value, then fine, each to their own. But if someone asked me my opinion, and it seems quite a few others would say the same, then I would say that Bose are a bit of a rip-off - far too expensive for the level of performace you get. I'd tell the person to save their money, and get a set of Kef eggs (not perfect perhaps, but a lot better and a lot cheaper), or an MS premiere pack for £500, or an Eltax Stargate X2 package from RS for £300, or a Aego and so on - it's a long list. Perhaps even Gallo - 5 balls and reasonable budget sub (perhaps not Gallo's own - but a lot better than the weedy effort Bose call an active sub) can be bought for less than £1000 - and at least they look the part.

    Pointing the finger at another product which may or may not also be too expensive/poor value, is no real defence of the product in question - ie Bose.
     
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    I have to comment

    Have you listened to the speaker packages you list - if not you cannot comment?
     
  17. Nic Rhodes

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    I have heard all the packages being quoted. To put Gallo in the same sentence as the Bose is......[edit edit edit] :(

    The simple fact is Bose don't make high quality speakers that would satisfy most forum members. They do make kit that many like but they are an uninformed market. I don't think Bose even try to market in the quality end but market in the lifestyle market, where most of us wouldn't be seen dead. It is simply a different market.

    I still think Bose are over priced rubbish bought by fools.:devil:

    Better quality is available for less money......IF YOU WANT.
     
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    Happy news for Nic.

    We received some info from the guys who distibute the Anthony Gallo and Clark Synthesis bits this week. Usual would you like to open an account with us, along with literature.

    Also with this was a print out of the review that you posted on this forum last week some time.

    Just thought you'd like to know.:)
     
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    I'm famous. I'm famous.:D

    Do they want my address so they know where to sent the royalty cheques;)
     
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    had a demo of the bose systems yesterday at the York designer outlet, my first impressions were that it sounded quite impressive compared to other sub-sat systems, then saw that the system i was listening to was £2500, and i began listening more closely. I have to agree with the earlier posts that there is not enough midrange.

    The guy demonstrating the system was well rehearsed, but didn't seem to know anything about the opposition (hadn't heard of B&W!).

    He also said that bose were the oinly company that could make a surround mode out of a non surround signal, as wasn't aware the DPLII could do this from stereo sources.

    When i got home i listened to the same clips (X-men railway station fight, and Toy Story 2 crossing the road) on my system, and was even more impressed. I have a Denon 3802 with B&W 602.5s3 fronts, LCR 60s3 centre, and 601s3 surrounds.

    In my opinion my system sounded much smoother, yet at the same time seemed to have much more power and clarity, and I don't even have a sub yet.

    I wouldn't say that overall I disliked the bose, but it wasn't for me.

    Cheers,

    Ian
     
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    Shame you didn't compare it to £2,500 worth of proper speakers.
     
  22. John Watts

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    Not sure they are all bought by fools Nic,
    Maybe alot of inexperienced people are sold them by dealers
    and its a tad unfair to call them fools
    inexprrienced yes but not stupid.
     
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    Spending that sum without seeking a specialist, is if not stupid, at least unwise.
    I have several friends with Bose Acoustimass speakers, usually connected to Sony separates. They are all perfectly content.
    Often I envy their bliss.
     
  24. Ian J

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    Foolish is not the same as stupid and Nic didn't call anyone stupid.

    Anyone who spends a couple of thousand on a product without checking the market to see what else is available is foolish in my eyes.

    Anyone who checks what else is available and makes a conscious decision to buy Bose is exerting his right to spend his money as he sees fit and has made the same decision as you or I but with a different conclusion.
     
  25. Nic Rhodes

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    Spending £2500 on something without doing even a little bit of 'research' is foolish IMHO. It would take minutes to bottom this one out and get the correct info. A quick trip to WH Smiths would get anyone started. Ignorant people on AV surely know they are ignorant and need to do something about it?

    I just wish I has £2500 to be foolish, could be fun:blush:

    Ignorance is bliss:D
     
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    You'd only waste it on more Servo 15s
     
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    Even though everyone on this forum hates BOSE with a passion and I must admit I'm no fan of their home range(A-Mass) but their Pro range i.e 802 monitors and SB1 sub station
    These are serious speakers IMP. I ask you to demo these if you can, before dimissing the whole company,
    (Turnkey on Tot Court RD London will demo)
    I only wish I had the funds and space to run 7 in a HC set up, with the matching sub units of course.
    IMP
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    I reckon he´d spend it on a Velodyne HGS sub myself!:D
     
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    Jase Ian

    Beat me to it. I fancy two of Erics HGS 18 but unfortunately there is no money on the horizon to get any. I will have to make do with my baby Servos.;)

    Samir

    If I get a chance I will check them out.
     
  30. John Watts

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    Point taken guys. But not all BOSE products are two and a half grand and some people have only a small market place without travelling miles. If they have no transport they go to a local dealer perhaps with 3 to 6 hundred and they trust the dealer,
    He sells them the BOSE,
    are they foolish? mmm perhaps! it was just a thought anyway.
     

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