Why Bother?

Sloppy Bob

Distinguished Member
only real difference was I was going to quote £180 hdmi cable... 😁
Tch.... peasant.

You obviously don't have enough money to really care about how fat your 0's are and how skinny those 1's could be. The difference to the picture is like night and well..

...something else that's really quite dark.




:p

(Amazon Basics FTW!!!!)
 

keithwiggins

Well-known Member
Value or Snake Oil - Don't Care - your money spend it how you want. But don't be surprised in the majority of us are snickering behind out hands at the thought.

Speaker Cables, of this caliber, are like Cocaine, they are God's way of telling you, you have too much money.

Steve/bluewizard
Ambrosia.
 

Cocksure

Well-known Member
@Gasp3621

In light of this thread, and if I never said so before, the SVS PB-2000 that you recommended is so good that I went out and bought a 2nd :). Huge thanks for your long detailed PM you sent me that I still have.

@BlueWizard I remember you helping me out so equally thank you (though I forget on what :blush:)

@keithwiggins I do get were you are coming from :)
 

KelvinS1965

Distinguished Member
I've offered advice over the years if it's something I have some experience of. I do occasionally see posts offering 'help' that seems to come from someone who doesn't have experience of the matter in hand. I tend not to get involved in the later type threads because I found that doesn't reflect well, but equally if my advice isn't taken or acknowledged, then I don't make a big deal of it.

What I do tend to do is avoid posting on that OP's future threads, especially if I recognise a pattern of asking multiple variations of the same question. I do take the view that someone else might come across the thread via a search (even years later I've been 'liked' or quoted), so it's not all for nothing. Sometimes it's funny to see an old post I've made and how my own opinions have changed since I made it, so I can't really blame people for not acting on what I've said anyway. :confused:

Sometimes I've asked a question and had a number of replies that I felt weren't relevant to my situation: Massively above the stated budget or perhaps excessively DIY solutions (though I have built my own subs I don't want to build every piece of my system by hand :rolleyes: ). Even so I'll usually acknowledge those, as it's probably an age thing with me, but I confess there are some that I just ignore. I also have a (very) few members on ignore, so it's possible that they could reply and I won't see their response(s). Maybe that's what happened to this OP?

People often bounce from thing to thing, changing their mind as they go. I've done that myself too; make a post and then next day realise that it was a blind alley to go along. Maybe even make some adjustment to the set up that resolves the issue and that in turn diverts the next upgrade to something else instead.
 
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Steven

Senior Moderator
Whilst the behaviour of others may naturally cause frustration, patience and understanding is necessary and unavoidable

Individuals have their own personality. Some will require sign posts why information is required. Whilst someone else will provide missing answers without prompt.

Communication is just as much about listening (or reading, as this is a forum) in order to understand what someone wants to achieve, their criteria and how they view the world

People may have done prior reading before landing on AVF about what they want to buy. Sometimes it is about breaking confirmation bias 😆
 

martimu

Well-known Member
You have to roll with it.
It's often a combination of different things. I've asked questions on things before where I'm technically in over my head - eg on a NAS drive where I'm getting answers that are probably helpful but I'm to thick to understand. And the simple answer I'm looking for possibly doesn't exist, or I'm not communicating it correctly. ( However, I do try and remember to thank people or respond)

Sometimes people want an answer that suits what they want to hear and not what is actually correct. I worked at KEF many many years ago and was trying to help someone on a forum with a question on their speakers. I was sat next to the engineer that designed the speakers and was getting the answer to the solution from him. The OP was taking advice from someone else on the thread that didn't have a clue. However, it was clear that was what he wanted to hear so off he went. That was a real WTF?! moment. Took me a while to get past it at the time.

Other times, it's reading the person, particularly on hifi, if they are more subjective or objective. people get wound up by advice that is at the opposite end of the spectrum and often those advising can't step back from their positions either.
You see if for example when someone posts a question on turntables and gets back an answer that TT's are technically rubbish and they should get a streamer. Unlikely to get a thank you for that.

The help I've had on here though has been immense, and the like button makes it easy to post a thank you.
Sometimes I think people get involved in a number of threads and just forget. I've no doubt that I've done that in the past.

A signature of KIT can help a bit as it gives a person a flavour of the sort of answer they might get. EG in mine I've got valve kit so there's an immediate indication that I might not be the most bothered about a technically correct sound

There are enough of us that are grateful, so please do keep inputting
 

keithwiggins

Well-known Member
You have to roll with it.
It's often a combination of different things. I've asked questions on things before where I'm technically in over my head - eg on a NAS drive where I'm getting answers that are probably helpful but I'm to thick to understand. And the simple answer I'm looking for possibly doesn't exist, or I'm not communicating it correctly. ( However, I do try and remember to thank people or respond)

Sometimes people want an answer that suits what they want to hear and not what is actually correct. I worked at KEF many many years ago and was trying to help someone on a forum with a question on their speakers. I was sat next to the engineer that designed the speakers and was getting the answer to the solution from him. The OP was taking advice from someone else on the thread that didn't have a clue. However, it was clear that was what he wanted to hear so off he went. That was a real WTF?! moment. Took me a while to get past it at the time.

Other times, it's reading the person, particularly on hifi, if they are more subjective or objective. people get wound up by advice that is at the opposite end of the spectrum and often those advising can't step back from their positions either.
You see if for example when someone posts a question on turntables and gets back an answer that TT's are technically rubbish and they should get a streamer. Unlikely to get a thank you for that.

The help I've had on here though has been immense, and the like button makes it easy to post a thank you.
Sometimes I think people get involved in a number of threads and just forget. I've no doubt that I've done that in the past.

A signature of KIT can help a bit as it gives a person a flavour of the sort of answer they might get. EG in mine I've got valve kit so there's an immediate indication that I might not be the most bothered about a technically correct sound

There are enough of us that are grateful, so please do keep inputting
On the subject of Kef , my old mate Neil Gaydon went to work for them as UK sales manager for a time before he went to head up Linn, did you know him? Probably late eighties.
 

martimu

Well-known Member
A bit before my time, I was there in the early 2000's. Not for very long, a year or so. I worked in a AV store prior to that for a while too. I found working in the industry ruined the hobby for me. Got home and didn't want to go near my kit. I couldn't cope with the pipe slippers nature of a lot of it, found it very very frustrating.
 

keithwiggins

Well-known Member
A bit before my time, I was there in the early 2000's. Not for very long, a year or so. I worked in a AV store prior to that for a while too. I found working in the industry ruined the hobby for me. Got home and didn't want to go near my kit. I couldn't cope with the pipe slippers nature of a lot of it, found it very very frustrating.
yes can be a bit like that.
 

keithwiggins

Well-known Member
yes can be a bit like that.
must admit i used to be well into Linn/Naim setups up a few years ago and sold topend gear for nearly a decade , but was some years ago, my interest waned and now very happy with a soundbar, dont even have subs any more, everything streamed, sure its a cop out of sorts but fundamentally a lot happier no longer chasing rainbows.
 

martimu

Well-known Member
must admit i used to be well into Linn/Naim setups up a few years ago and sold topend gear for nearly a decade , but was some years ago, my interest waned and now very happy with a soundbar, dont even have subs any more, everything streamed, sure its a cop out of sorts but fundamentally a lot happier no longer chasing rainbows.
Not a cop-out at all. it's an expensive hobby at the best of times and often the changes are minimal for the outlay. Particularly at the higher end.

I sort of got to that point with my valve set. But I have to be honest I do enjoy buying new kit! That's pretty much the only thing that would have me fiddling around with the hifi. It's at the point where any changes are as much sideways as anything (though the temptation for the simplicity of SS amplification does appeal sometimes)

The AV stuff is currently more interesting to me as there are still some marked improvements with changes.

None of it compares to that moment when you get your first hifi though.

In my memory the first listen at home with my teenage cobbled together NAD 3020, Castle Speakers and Rotel CDP will never be surpassed. LOL never forget your first!
 

keithwiggins

Well-known Member
Not a cop-out at all. it's an expensive hobby at the best of times and often the changes are minimal for the outlay. Particularly at the higher end.

I sort of got to that point with my valve set. But I have to be honest I do enjoy buying new kit! That's pretty much the only thing that would have me fiddling around with the hifi. It's at the point where any changes are as much sideways as anything (though the temptation for the simplicity of SS amplification does appeal sometimes)

The AV stuff is currently more interesting to me as there are still some marked improvements with changes.

None of it compares to that moment when you get your first hifi though.

In my memory the first listen at home with my teenage cobbled together NAD 3020, Castle Speakers and Rotel CDP will never be surpassed. LOL never forget your first!
Used to sell all that gear, lol ,good stuff.
 

Tempest

Distinguished Member
When you see people die or get dementia.
Then you look at your family typical lifespan, and then your age, and think how many years realistically you have.
THEN think back that same amount of time to an event then, which feels like just yesterday.
It makes you (makes me) ponder, what's the point in putting too much effort into something, as opposed to just being happy as you are, as what's the point.

Amazed that some people push themselves to get better educated when they don't have that many years left in reality.
 

Derek S-H

Distinguished Member
When you see people die or get dementia.
Then you look at your family typical lifespan, and then your age, and think how many years realistically you have.
THEN think back that same amount of time to an event then, which feels like just yesterday.
It makes you (makes me) ponder, what's the point in putting too much effort into something, as opposed to just being happy as you are, as what's the point.

Amazed that some people push themselves to get better educated when they don't have that many years left in reality.
Aww, that's a bit gloomy!

It's like you're saying, "why bother?" Oh wait, Keith already did that!

No, what I mean is that you make it sound like we're just waiting for death instead of living life. I heard somebody say this year that, "life is meant to be endured", and I just thought it was crap. Life is meant to be ENJOYED, not simply endured.

Why change anything, pursue anything, desire any new experiences if it's all just a waste of time? I don't agree! Life is a gift, not a burden, and we should embrace any opportunity that comes along as it may not come again.

I've found that I procrastinate far less than I used to when I was younger as I thought I had all the time in the world. Now I know I'm closer to the end than the start I just crack on with things, my inevitable demise is a great source of inspiration and motivation, not a pointless exercise in non-achievement.

I think what I'm trying to say is that you only get out what you put in, and being defeatist can only give you the life you expect to receive. And I'm sure you'll be with us for many more years to come! :)
 

keithwiggins

Well-known Member
When you see people die or get dementia.
Then you look at your family typical lifespan, and then your age, and think how many years realistically you have.
THEN think back that same amount of time to an event then, which feels like just yesterday.
It makes you (makes me) ponder, what's the point in putting too much effort into something, as opposed to just being happy as you are, as what's the point.

Amazed that some people push themselves to get better educated when they don't have that many years left in reality.
Well thats cheered me up no end, thank you, have you ever considered a career as a motivational speaker.
 

BlueWizard

Distinguished Member
Sorry, wrong post.
Side Note: If you want to Delete a Post that you have made, simply click the REPORT Button, and say something like - Sorry, wrong post - please delete.

Or indicate that you double posted, or changed your mind, or whatever the problem is. In a few hours, when they get around to it, the MODS will delete it.

Steve/bluewizard
 

imightbewrong

Distinguished Member
Well thats cheered me up no end, thank you, have you ever considered a career as a motivational speaker.
"Hi - thanks for coming to my TED talk. I'm here to tell you you should just give up - don't bother. Don't even stay for the rest of this presentation - just get up, go home, and wait for the end. Thanks for coming"
 

Sloppy Bob

Distinguished Member
"As you're all seated now please reach under the seat for your complimentary cyanide capsule and water sachet. Only one each please as the others are for the 2.30, 3.00, 3.30 and 4.00 2hr sittings of this talk"
 

rogercw

Active Member
What annoys me is when they drip-feed information, treating it like some kind of secret that you only get the answers to if you ask exactly the right question and they're the ones looking for help. It's usually as they're so excited to be buying something new and shiny and getting involved in all the tech or whatever they blindly barge one.
Something which I've become more aware of in the past several years is that most people are poor communicators in that they fail to provide details of the problem they have. They are not doing this deliberately, it's just that they've got a problem but don't know what relevant facts to disclose. Inevitably this leads to a bunch of Q&As and delay in sorting out a solution.
 

RadioRentals

Novice Member
I inhabit a number of forums. The OP's gripe could be echoed on any of them. As he said, it's just people.
But the point was well made that others may benefit from the advice given.

And, let's face it, those who spend hours answering and discussing must get some pleasure out of it as well.

Me, I'm a 40 year novice still largely with his 1980 setup. So you'll never catch me on here giving advice. Unless it's on a sub-forum. And probably not even that.
Because it's true that after a certain age we have to think about the time remaining, and one could spend all day every day posting on forums.

RR (yes, it should be fora)
 

abmscopes

Member
When you see people die or get dementia.
Then you look at your family typical lifespan, and then your age, and think how many years realistically you have.
THEN think back that same amount of time to an event then, which feels like just yesterday.
It makes you (makes me) ponder, what's the point in putting too much effort into something, as opposed to just being happy as you are, as what's the point.

Amazed that some people push themselves to get better educated when they don't have that many years left in reality.
Wow, the conversation just got really heavy, really quickly:laugh:
 

lemmy

Standard Member
I have a YouTube channel specialising in a particular camera system. I get asked questions - which I always answer - specifically because subscribers and others want my opinion. Because I know that it is my advice specifically they want, I don't feel annoyed when I get no thanks. The thanks are contained in the fact that they deem me worth questioning.

Many people do thank me but most don't. However, the answers remain in my comments for guidance for others and makes my comments section a valuable resource for people. That brings people to my YT Channel which brings in the ad income. Maybe it is that that makes me less sensitive!

For myself, I have had good advice here, some of which I have taken, some of which I have not, but I always drop a 'thanks everyone' post. It's hardly a lot of trouble and if it shows people their advice is valued, so much the better since they will continue to contribute.
 

Breaking Dad

Active Member
Maybe its just the way I was brought up, or a generational thing, but if I ask a question on here and someone who clearly knows what they are talking about takes the time to reply I will always thank them, even if its just a thumbs up to show I have read their post. I will always try and give details of the outcome as well as I appreciate it helps to to show others who maybe have a similar query that there is a viable solution/option available. Of course you will will always get the occasional two word smart arsed reply, but that seems to be the nature of the beast when it comes to public forums, but as long as you accept that, its still a great way to acquire more knowledge about what can be a very daunting subject.
 

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