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    hi i am about to rewire my house completely and thought i might aswell wire for av and a lighting system. what lighting system do people suggest? I know about Lutron and Crestron lighting which are very expensive .Has anyone got any systems which are budget friendly and are fully programmable. Any help would be appreciated. cheers
     
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    Have a look at iLight. Made in the UK. A mate recommended them as they do a lot of high end installs using this it. I'm in the process of designing our rebuild project and will be putting a couple of their 12x 5A packs to control the lighting in the main rooms. The packs retail for around £1,400 each plus the control plates about £200-£250 each. Google for their website. Lots of AV add ons although it's primarily a lighting control system. They have ipad and android control apps too.
     
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    Have a look at Loxone also very cost effective and nice apps.

    We liked it so much that we have signed up to become a reseller
     
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    i have about 15-20 keypads so if they are £250 a pop that is alot of money. also i would probably need 3 or 4 of the 12 channel dimmers which puts it out of my budget,but thanks for the recommendation
     
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    With Loxone you choose your own switch plates, so you can have cheaper ones where you don't need as much functionality and more expensive ones where you need more control.


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    Loxone starts at just £375 for their miniserver with

    8 digital inputs 24VDC
    • 8 digital outputs (relays rated at 250VAC 5A)
    • 4 analog inputs 0 .. 10VDC
    • 4 analogue outputs 0 .. 10VDC
    • LAN port
    • Free app

    http://www.loxone.com/enuk/miniserver/features.html

    You just then extra extensions for extra outputs or inputs or IR or RS232 control
     
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    Technically you don't need any wall switches at all as all can be performed from the app.

    Though in practice you could just have a simple 1/2/3/4 way push button or simple switch per zone that had on/off and/or dimming functions per dimmer channel with the smarter functions controlled by an ipad or other smartdevice.
     
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    Rako is a good budget choice, the switches are about £120 ish with 4 channel racks at £450 ish. There are various other single channel modules as well. It comes in wired or wireless flavours and is simple to commission and has a nice simple iPad app
     
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    With loxone you can use a simple switch starting at just a few pounds.
     
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    Do luxone have scene plates?
     
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    Hi

    The beauty of Loxone is you can choose your own plates. They just need a plate that has 24VDC compatibility.

    Literally of thousands to chose from.

    From the Loxone site (not exhaustive by any means)

    (Retractive means not a simple on/off mechanism)

    Push-Button Switch Plates:

    GET Ultimate Grid Range (includes retractive modules)
    Customised GET Modules from ADS Electronics
    Scolmore Minigrid Range (includes retractive modules)
    MK Retractive Modules
    GIRA E22 - 6 button 1G stainless steel plate
    Jung Flat Design in combination with 4248 TSM
    Jung CD range (2,4 & 8 buttons)
    Niko 4 and 6 button plates


    and read the following thread

    UK Style Push-Buttons
     
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    Great info thanks. From my days of commissioning rapid lighting controls I had the basic MK retractive switch pictured in my mind! A bit basic, but there's quite a few options. I also worked for a company called LEAX lighting, I just loved their scene plates hence why I like the Rako design.

    Thanks for the info aclass
     
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    Have you got a link to the Rako plates and I will see if i can find something similar
     
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    Here is a 4 scene and off including raise lower image.jpg
     
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    Fairly sure GET do something similar
     
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    Also have a look at Mode, Evolution is still very highly specified for the price. DMX, DALI, 0-10V, contact closure etc. You can also add a very small module behind standard light switches so you don't need to use the keypads which bumps up the cost.

    Dupe...
     
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    Thanks Aclass I think I'll look into Loxone not come across them before. Another vote for Rako, iLight as they're more competitively priced than crestron and lutron. Also advise looking at the new Control4 lighting which is competitively priced and very extensible like Crestron and Lutron
     
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    Loxone is amazing value especially with the ability to use plates/pads of yoru own choice

    If you need any help with loxone or want me to price up a system for comparison just give me a scenario and I can do this for you in a few minutes as we have a nice quoting app.

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    Is it just cat5/6 cable star wired from miniserver?
    Is there a serial interface to control the miniserver or is it only IP controlled?
     
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    Yes just cat5 to each plate/device.

    Not sure what you mean by Serial interface to Miniserver ? What scenario are you thinking of ?

    Seb
     
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    Might have a look at these myself.
     
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    Again if you need any help let me know
     
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    I'd like to integrate into something like Control4 to be able to control the lighting as part of overall project as opposed to it being a silo lighting solution
     
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    The Loxone is a complete control system in itself Lighting/heating/AV with RS232, contact closure, thermal sensors and IR extensions. It even has its own music server system
     
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    Did you chose a system in the end ?
     
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    i have been offered 4 ilight dimmers which came out from a job and are fully working so i have opted for ilight. just have to buy some switches for the main rooms then use an ipad for the rest of the house.cheers for your help
     
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    An update to this old thread. In the end I went for the Mode eDIN system. I have 48 channels of lighting controlled by 8 switchplates in the main rooms (each plate with 10 scene buttons) and also have an 8 channel IO module that covers PIR, fire alarm and intruder alarm triggers and a separate 8 ch in module that takes contacts from momentary on/off switches in periphery rooms so those single channel lights and switches appear to behave like normal domestic lighting. I included these as they form part of scenes for security, holiday mode, entry exit scenes etc.

    Mode are a relative newcomer to the residential lighting market but have been in the lighting control business since the thyristor was born!
     

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