Who will end up up buying Fox Film Studios...

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  1. raigraphixs

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    Disney and Fox are “closing in on a deal” and that details could be announced as soon as next week. Sources claim that Fox’s assets are worth north of $60 billion. its rumored the Murdoch clan keeping possession of sports and news properties, and the rest of TV and the film studio going to Disney. Radio silence right now from both studios, and given how Disney made the Marvel and Lucasfilm deals under the cone of silence.

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    Disney would own a large percentage of the biggest entertainment franchises in US cinema if this happens. I mean you look at MCU and Star Wars alone already.

    Not entirely clear this is a good idea. In cinema history, different ideas have come from very different stables and individuals. That said, we are talking about The X-men series put through the professional lens and machine of corporate Disney; who really cares?

    Whatever happens there will dozens of product out over the next decade; some will be brilliant, some okay, the gravy train rumbles on!
     
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    Whilst I welcome the full ish MCU coming together the logistics of bringing those universes together on film is a different matter all together. It will take a ( maybe Phoenix) film or films to meld them into one universe . Cant see Disney purcasing to still have contrasting universes .
     
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    Alien, Avatar, Planet of the Apes, Predator, many more, who knows what might happen
     
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    Well taking the Alien franchise away from RS would be a good start :).

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    Could be fun ;).
     
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    Or even .
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    :laugh:.
     
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    Just to be clear Disney wouldn't be 'buying Fox' in its entirety, just acquiring its film & tv interests. It's not a takeover.

    In terms of film franchises I cant see this as a bad thing to be honest; X-Men, Fantastic Four and Alien have all gone down the s****r recently. Its not a creativity issue but an organisational one. Disney seem to employ people who can manage franchises (Kevin Keige, Kathleen Kennedy etc).
     
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    As with Lucasfilm & Marvel accusation, the standard of movies are high, so no Mickey Mouse shenanigans with Fox titles

    Disney will be the most powerful studio in Hollywood, if they already aren't WB could be next on their list lol
     
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    All I can think of is the possibility that the original versions of Star Wars/Empire/Jedi might finally be available on non-bootleg blu once Disney will own the rights to the Fox back catalogue.
     
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    Murdoch will need the money as his house has reportedly been burned down.

    Not sure I share others anxieties about Disney acquiring 21st century fox. Not exactly in morally sound hands just now.
     
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    If, as has been reported/speculated in the press, James Murdoch will take over as CEO when the current incumbent retires, wouldn't that be rather like putting Darth Vader in charge of the Montessori School curriculum?

    You WILL do what I nicely ask won't you?
     
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    I'm not sure about this, actually the films you named you are probably right but then think about Logan and Deadpool. There is no way Disney would take those sort of risks, and that genre was/is much better for those films.

    Another step towards global domination for the house of mouse...
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    I don't understand why Disney are always considered to be risk averse? As a business, they follow formulas that have worked in the past, but that doesn't mean they wont shake things up when necessary. Rogue One proved that. Also Deadpool was highly successful, so keeping the same tone will be a sound business model. I'm 99% sure Deadpool 2 will come out just as potty mouthed and violent under Disney's watch.
     
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    part of me doesn't feel comfortable with one corporation holding the reigns of such a large amount of the film and TV industry.
    But it could just be the tinfoil helmet being on a bit tight today.

    It'll be hard to tell until it happens. Most people seem to only be concerned with superheroes and star wars, rather than how it'll affect the wider movie/TV landscape going forward... of which, I have no idea how things'll change. It's easy to think negatively, but it might not go that way
     
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    Both the films I mentioned were rated R in the States, I can't see Disney making R rated comic book movies any time soon.

    And what was so risky about Rogue One?
     
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    Why not? R-rated movies can make money and have increased in popularity recently.

    And it wouldn't be Disney making the films, they would just own the companies making them. They are unlikely to have any creative input into Deadpool films.

    They allowed
    the entire cast to be killed off!
    Surprising everyone including the people making the film!
     
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    Well whilst I'm guessing on their strategy, I'd imagine the toy / merchandise tie ins would be one of the biggest factors in their current slate of movies being so family friendly. And it certainly been working for them.

    With regards RO, you have a point although that is far from the type of film I meant when I said about taking risks!
     
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    There’s so many aspects to this particular deal.

    Disney would gain the rights to the original Star Wars distribution rights for Luscasfilm.

    They would get the rights to Deadpool, fantastic Four and X-Men for Marvel and with their partnership with Sony for Spider-Man which I think gives them the full stable of characters.

    They would gain the IP rights to Avatar. They have the Pandora land in Orlando and it’s a franchise Disney would like to use more.

    All of above is a plus for Disney but there’s one reason why they want to purchase Fox.... to bolster their online streaming service and take on Netflix.

    Movies from Fox are hardly doing well these days so think Disney will give the IPs the attention they deserve.

    I don’t get what they are going to do with the more adult movies though. maybe keep them branded under Fox rather than Disney and just let the creators do what they want.

    Then there’s the potential that Disney will also own the rights with The Simpsons too. Do you keep the franchise or sell it off to say Universal

    And finally Disney would also be purchasing the 39% share of Sky TV. That’s a lot of exposure for Disney and their IPs
     
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    What kind of risks do you think Disney wouldn't be amenable to?
     
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    I would guess they would never have released Deadpool or Logan with the ratings that Fox did, although now they have seen that they were a success maybe that will change.

    I think that's a fair assumption.
     
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    didn't Disney used to release R rated stuff on their Touchstone, Buena Vista and other subsidiary labels? I'm sure things like Starship Troopers and The Rock were under the Disney umbrella in the US weren't they? Tarantino's early stuff too before the Weinstein's set up their own company and he followed them over. Miramax was a Disney company wasn't it? I'm pretty sure Tarantino's own Rolling Thunder brand started off as an offshoot Disney company. I always thought they just drew the line with unrated material. But maybe I'm just confused :confused:

    Disney hasn't always been strictly only family entertainment. If they did it in the past I don't see why they couldn't do it now once they get their hands on Fox
     
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    Even the Simpsons predicted this back in 1998

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    I think Disney should keep all their current movies under the current umbrella of Pixar, Lucasfilm etc but all adult films now released under Disney Fox, although if I was them, I would ditch the Fox and call it something else
     
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    Those are the two examples everyone is using, and no one seems to be able to think of any others. Are they so risky though? Deadpool cost a 'mere' $58 million and Logan $97m. Both films had A-listers in lead roles and in the latter case, a popular established character. Comic book fans had also been crying out for both stories for years. The main risk was reducing the size of the audience with an R-rating; but 18+ is still a big demographic.

    Rogue One cost over £200 million and had a cast of mostly little-known actors playing characters we'd never heard of. It was also the first non-saga star wars film, and took a storytelling risk with its cast that could potentially have alienated the toy-buying child demographic. Not to mention some audacious digital effects that could have gone horribly wrong.

    If Disney can do one, I cant see them having a problem doing the other.
     
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    and not a single lightsabre or jedi.
     
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    Ok here's another one for you. Wonder Woman.

    Disney had every chance to release a female lead super hero film and they chose not to, why was that? Just a coincidence? ;)

    Maybe we just see this differently...
     
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    Those mavericks! :eek::eek::eek:
     
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    Which one? Gamora? She-hulk?

    Wonder Woman is the third most iconic DC superhero, and a household name. Everyone has heard of her. Marvel don't have any female superheroes at that level of fame. Plus WW came just at the right time; everything is about women and sexism nowadays.

    If anything, Thor and Captain America (the films Wonder Woman is most similar to) are riskier propositions, as those are far less well known.

    And if we're talking superheroes, what about Guardians of the Galaxy? A $2 million blockbuster based on a bunch of characters no one had even heard of? That my friend, was a risk.
     
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    Marvel don't have any characters at the same level as DC, not counting Spiderman for obvious reasons, so that argument falls a little flat right there. It hasn't stopped them doing rather well so far!

    Having said that, I would agree Guardians was a risk no doubt. That's a very good point.
     
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    Well it wasn't my argument. You brought up wonder woman, as if to suggest that's a risky proposition that Marvel would never take on. Clearly not the case. Marvel will take on anything, no matter how obscure.
     
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    Did you miss the last 5 minutes of the film?:confused:
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