Discussion in 'General Chat' started by higenbs1, Apr 22, 2005.
Might help those who are undecided:
Green apparently, not what I expected!
Doesn't take into account too many other variables. I ended up a massive lib dem supporter!!!
Which is thrown into even more peculiar relief when one bears in mind that I score 6 apiece for Labour and the Tories.
You should vote: Liberal Democrat
The LibDems take a strong stand against tax cuts and a strong one in favour of public services: they would make long-term residential care for the elderly free across the UK, and scrap university tuition fees. They are in favour of a ban on smoking in public places, but would relax laws on cannabis. They propose to change vehicle taxation to be based on usage rather than ownership.
I'm a LIb Dem that's nearly a Tory.
They propose to change vehicle taxation to be based on usage rather than ownership.
I got rated as a "Lib Dem voter", and that's what I have voted for! (Got my Ballot Paper yesterday, and sent it off today. )
Makes me a massive lib dem by a mile.
Is this site completely unbiased? beginning to see a pattern from the replies.
That's what I'm beginning to think, although I was a Tory somehow
Green for me I do think the questions were loaded in the way they are asked.
Lib Dem for me which I expected anyway. I shall be voting for them thats for sure( but hoping for a Labour victoiry)
Lib Dem -38
IMHO it just shows that if the Lib Dems really are trying to become the main opposition instead of the tories they have completely the wrong policies. Why do they think they can appeal to tories by being even more left wing than Labour?
I was equal Green/UKIP...
The Green Party for me with 62 beating the nearest Lib Dem at 43
Labour are no longer that left wing, the libdems are filling that spot.If sufficient people can be persuaded to vote tactically the Tories could be shunted into oblivion where they belong
Your perception is that the lib dems are left-wing, but it is albour that have moved over to the right. Lib dems are centralists, always have been.
Sorry but if you compare the '97 manifesto replete with gurning Paddy Ashdown
with the 2005 one
There is a definate shift to the left between the two.
nowt wrong with that -Kennedy use to be in the Labour party
Whether it is good or bad is irrelevant- I posted the links to show that they have done so, not remained centrist.
Read what I said again.
I never said that the Lib Dems have moved to become more left wing. Simply that if their objective is to replace the tories as the official opposition and attract their supporters, being more left wing than Labour is hardly the way to do it.
Whether they have or have not shifted is irrelevant. It is where they are in relation to the other parties that matters.
Why do they think that (most) tories will want to support a party advocating higher taxes, greater European integration, etc.?
It isn't.The Liberals are an Anti-Conservative party same as Labour. Labour took the majority of it's support away from the Liberals. The Lib-dems current pitch is to get them back.
Thats why, as you rightly point out Squiffy, they don't appeal (apart from protest votes in individual seats) to Tory voters.
I think the Lib Dems are pitching to a group that to a large extent no longer bothers. As the registration figures already show a dip on last time, once again the likely winners are not pitching to the old party splits.
Before the 80's two socio economic groups, tended to support one party or the other with a number of 'working class Tories', or 'silk shirt socialists' (cliches I know, but they serve) swinging the vote on the day.
If the Lib dems think they're going to steal old style 'Socialist votes', and on reading their literature, and where in this area they are targetting seats, this is who they're pitching for, they're chasing phantoms.
The small percentage of people that actually vote are conservative (small c) middle class, middle English. As Squiffy says, you aren't going to impress them by being more left than Labour.
The battle which neither main party really wants to fight, is to get the rest of the electorate re-engaged. That way the Lib dems current policies might just have a wider appeal..............
Liberal Democrat 52
UK Independence Party -5
I am an anti-Squiffy. We'd better not meet otherwise we might annihilate each other.
Unless we cross the streams....
Are you sure that its the '97 manifesto? The haircuts don't lie mate, thats the '83 manifesto innit!
...........and get covered in food. Sorry, you mean Ghostbusters
It was supposed to be the election that would see the fortunes of the Lib Dems rise, however we haven't be able to capitalise on such issues on the war, the trust issue, or indeed the self-implosion of the Tories.
I think the Lib Dems will attract voters who are normally Tory simply because they are so disillusioned with the main 2. The west country is fast becoming the liberal stronghold of the UK, along with Scotland, and we are squeezing the Conservative vote quite well in these areas.
The main objective is decapitation as far as winning Conservative votes goes. David Davies being the main target in his marginal, you'll find a few Torys voting tactically for the Lib Dems this May.
Hmmm. Not quite sure I want to meet up with Fruitbat and cover myself in marshmallow.
Yes, I agree.
But they have massively reduced the possibility that this will happen in enough numbers to see a big rise in Lib Dem MPs.
If they had positioned themselves and their policies as a genuine alternative to the Tories, I believe they would have had their best ever chance to become the second party (or at least a much enlarged third party). As it is, even if they do succeed in their decapitation strategy they have missed out on a golden opportunity.
There is significant disquiet among Labour voters, and the electorate aren't yet ready to move on from the tory problems of the past. There is a vacuum that the Lib Dems could have filled if they'd had the vision to go for it.
By the time of the next election, disillusionment with Labour will have grown significantly but we will have an electorate that will see past tory transgressions as less of an issue. Although winning this time is clearly beyond the tories, I wouldn't bet against a win next time for them.
Green for me
no chance will I vote for them.
As a Socialist none of the parties represent my views at all.
It looks as though I will not be voting as none of the parties standing deserve it.
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