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which Sub Paradigm servo 15 or Velodyne CHT 15 ?

Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by Dave H, Oct 27, 2003.

  1. Dave H

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    Hi I am thinking of upgrading my Rel 1oo E to something more beefy and was considering the two subs above.
    which of these two monsters would you recomend ?
    Sound quality is the most important but also build quality as well.
    cheers Dave.
     
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    I haven't heard the CHT-15, but have heard the Servo 15 - which was utterly sublime.

    The paper specs certainately sway in the Servo's favour, and it looks the more impressive of the two from lab results.

    However, the Servo 15s are rather obscure these days & difficult to get hold of since Richers stopped selling them. You might get hold of one in the classifieds, I think there's currently one on Ebay.

    As far as I'm aware, since Uncle Eric stopped his powerbuys you're going to have to pay the £800-ish RRP for the CHT-15 if you want it new.

    The CHT-15s usually go for around £500 in the forums. However, it may interest you to know that they sell new for around £280 in the states.

    My recommendation would be the Servo-15.
     
  3. Dave H

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    Hi thanks Dimmy that price of £280 in the states sounds like a good deal , now all I need to do is ask my friends in LA to do me a big favour and send me one over as a gift ( wink ).
    cheers Dave.

    PS would there be a big differance over my Rel 100 E ?
     
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    Dave - Oh yes, the things a Servo did with an LFE track were truly mesmerising.

    I'm sure later in the evening Servo & Velodyne users will contribute to this thread & tell you all about why the improvement of such subwoofers is so huge over equivalent RELs. Hopefully you won't have fueled another REL vs The World subwoofer debate in the process though :).
     
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    There would be a huge difference but I would be wary about importing from the States as you would need a transformer to convert the voltage and that could possibly introduce hum problems.

    I think that Dimmy may have his sums wrong as $700 seems to be more likely a price for them.

    If you are interested in a second hand CHT-15 I think that General Skanky was selling one in the classifed forum here
     
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    yeah ive seen plenty of them over there at $499, but think how much shipping costs.....

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    Just a few rough calculations on how much to import one:

    $499 for the sub + $200 for delivery = $700

    $700 = £420

    Then you will have to pay 17.5% VAT once it arrives in this country which then looks like:

    £420 + 17.5% = £493.50

    Then add another 4% custom duty:

    £493.50 + 4% = £513.13

    So in all your looking at a conservative estimate of £515 if the delivery cost is around $200, it will however be more likely to cost more.

    So I'd budget at least £550 to get a CHT-15 over here.

    Alternatively take a look at skankys here:

    http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3054271986&category=3276

    He's around on these forums so you might catch him if you do a search for generalskanky and PM him.
     
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    Having now owned both a CHT-15 and Servo 15 my advice would be to track down a Servo 15, completely different animal to be honest. Should find one for around £300-350 in good nick second hand.
     
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    Hmmm, sound quality is a relative term, are you expecting to use it for music, HT or both?. To my ears the Servo 15 is more suited to HT than music, it can rattle the house but lacks the finesse of a REL on music.
     
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    Yeah, servo is def a HT sub..... my old storm sounded better with music, that said even it wasnt up to music in my opinion so i ended up forgetting the sub for stereo.

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    So what about the Velo. Better than Rel for music?
     
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    It depends on which Velo and which REL you are talking about. The CHT in the Velo name stands for Classic Home Theatre and gives you some indication of where in the market place the models are pitched. The REL ST range seem to be pitched more at the audiophiles amongst us and whilst the outright depth of a CHT-15 may be a couple of Hz lower it will lack the finesse of a Storm for music.
     
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    How are you getting on with your servos Phil?
     
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    The point I was making was not that so much that one sub is better than another for music, rather, it takes alot of sub to truly partner good speakers in a musical set up

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    We now issue Philip with a full membership to the "dawning of realisation" club.

    (Phil, this IS in good humour)

    best regards

    Steven
     
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    It's a club like no other.
     
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    im a bit confused, i think im going weird in the head today....

    anyhow, has anyone tried contacting paradigm since richer have now seemingly totally stopped getting the servos altogether?

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    Yeah Buns

    I spoke to them a few weeks back when I needed to get my Servo fixed. They peed themsleves, basically, when I told them Richers were saying theyd gone bust. They said they were going to look into the situation. Not heard any more since.

    Prognosis? Dead as the proverbial parrot mate. Doesn't look like we'll see any more of them. :-(

    Chris
     
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    There was a scratched demo servo 15 in the MK shop for £300 a little while ago..so i asked them to fire it up...It didnt work..They tried for 30 mins in vain to get it going(even plugging it in!!!!power lead not plugged into mains ,still nowt)

    So the guy tells me it was roaring like a gooden 2 hrs ago..then another guy walks in and says "yer sorry about that i blew it up in my lunch brake"

    The servo had to be sent away and was unlikly to make it back to the shop..

    If anyone did manage to get this sub it had a nasty dent in the front corner where it looked like it had been dropped....
     
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    I thought we put the myth about the Servo 15 being not suited to music to bed a few weeks back. Bottom line is it's a sub with low distortion so, as the beekeper said, if it doesn't sound with music then it's the set up/integration/room that is to blame not the sub itself.

    Here are his thoughts on the last page of that painfully long thread:

    http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=94858&perpage=15&pagenumber=19

    Matt.
     
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    Yeah thats the one where I flogged off a Servo15 and slated its performance, went over to REL, praised them and then it blew up and I slated them. Then finally returning back to a Servo15, singing its praises in the process after setting it up properly(better anyhow) this time.

    :suicide: :zonked: ;) :D

    Nothing like swapping and changing... ahhh.
     
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    I'm not sure that I agree with your statement as it is hardly a subject that has been discussed at length and boiled down to one experienced Servo 15 user saying that he was happy with his in a music setup and another saying that he wasn't.

    I am sure that I recall the magazine tests back at the dawning of time when the Servo 15 first came out saying that whilst it made an excellent Home Theatre subwoofer, it lacked the finesse to handle music well.
     
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    I only saw one mag test, being in what hifi..... so im inclined to be suspicious as to whether they manage to have it really well integrated into their room. After all, many of us know how long it takes to actuall find an ideal location for a sub, i doubt even the best magazine tests have time to do this.

    Anyhow, as i said, I think that asking any sub to shine with music whilst using a top notch set of speakers is really pushing the boat out

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    It was reviewed by SMR for Home Cinema Choice in May 1999 who summed up as follows :-

    It also includes phrases like :-

     
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    ok, sorry Ian, didnt know about that one.

    In any case, the integration is an ongoing issue...... maybe if we had fully variable phase control (or do the x-over boxes do this?) like the new velos there would be less issue.

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    Hi Buns,
    I think you do have a fully variable phase control already.

    It's the mains - sub distance delay in the AV amp dolby setup on your av amp. It makes a surprising difference to sub integration, sweeking that a few feet here and there. Well is does on ym Denon's bass management anyway.

    regards,
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    Rob,

    I actually dont..... I dont have the x-over since they didnt have one :rolleyes: I have got a fairly good integration on the av front and have had a play with the various delays and such my meridian allows. My issue with subs is that, when using my purist stereo preamp, I dont have these little tweaks, I am relying on the sub itself to have sufficient adjustment that I can integrate that way, the REL storm couldnt do it and certainly without the control box, nor can the servo. It is no real matter mind you, Im very happy with the low frequency performance of my A1's.

    thanks

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    The short-commings of the Servo 15 become painfully apparent when you move up to a better sub. I can only assume that most of the people commenting haven't experienced a better sub.
     
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    GaryG, what subs have you heard that better the Servo? (Out of genuine curiosity!)

    Cheers,

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