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Which speakers are LARGE and which are small ?

Discussion in 'Home Cinema Speakers' started by dUnKle, Dec 13, 2001.

  1. dUnKle

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    Perhaps someone who is very clever and has the time could compile a list for the FAQ section ( which really should be advertised more as its the best point of reference on the net ) which lists as many speakers as possible and if they are suitable to be configured as larhe or small ?

    The subwoofer FAQ is fantastic and I think something like this would also help people in the set-up of there HC
     
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    If you have a subwoofer then all the other speakers should be set to small unless your L/R are floorstanders and you have the subwoofer wired Line&speaker.

    If you dont have a sub, but do have floor standers then any floor standers should be set to large

    If you do not have any floorstanders then set all speakers to large.

    Not what you were lookingfor but a rule of thumb.
     
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    I have the Bose Acoustimass 10 home theatre speakers and in there manual they ask you to put speakers to large when listening in dolby digital apart from the centre and subwoofer to off. What do i have to select as i have an active sub connected to my Kenwood amp as well.
     
  4. bob007

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    Iv'e tried every which way with all my speakers;

    Have been running this set up for the past few months and to me been the best by far.

    All speakers set to small (front left/right are floorstanders), LF sent to the sub only, crossover on the sub set at 90/100hz.

    When set to small all speakers cut off at about 80hz then the sub takes over from 80hz to what ever your sub is capable of. Your speakers should last longer too, as they will not be over worked.

    One thing i noticed when trying different set ups;

    Front left/right set to large and centre to small.
    When someone was off screen and the dialouge was coming out the left/right speaker the tonal sound of the dialouge changed alot when they came into shot and the dialouge was heard from the centre speaker, but with all speakers set to small it was perfect, no change, dialouge sounded the same in front right/left and centre. (Film was TWISTER, clip i used is were they pull up in the van after the F5 hits at the end).
     
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    Bob
    Yeah, I also found this. The only way you can get a proper tonal balance is by setting all your speakers to small, and LFE to sub only (assuming that the sub isn't in-line).
    The downside is that the overall effect isn't very satisfactory if your sub doesn't perform well. I don't mean in terms of where it rolls off, but how musical it is and how well it integrates with the rest of the setup. But if your sub isn't up to it then setting L&R to 'large' isn't a solution - it's a fudge. What you really need is a good quality sub and let it handle everything below about 80Hz.

    If you have to have an answer to the original question though, then you need to look at the specs for the speakers. If the low-end roll-off is higher than about 60Hz then don't even think about setting them to 'large'. No need to a model-by-model guide.

    MPS: That sounds wrong-diddly-wrong to me. Do the instructions assume that you don't have a sub in your setup? That's the only way it would make sense. Play around with the settings and find what you like best. No-one can tell you it's 'wrong'. But a good place to start if you do have a sub and it isn't wired in-line with the front speakers is to try the all-smalls route.
     
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    I like BIG PATSYs rule of thumb, however I just thought a quick reference section would be good for people who are unsure what to set there equipment at.

    Perhaps we should just list our speakers and the mode they are most suited to and when the list is big enough it can be compiled into a definative resource.


    B&W 603 speakers = LARGE

    B&W CC6 center = SMALL or LARGE no noticable difference

    TANNOY M2 speakers = SMALL

    MORDAUNT-SHORT BIPOLE = SMALL
     
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    List as follows:

    Front L & R - Kef THX - Small

    Centre - Kef THX - Small

    Surround L & R - Kef THX Dipole - Small

    Surround Back - Infinity Quadrapole - Small

    Sub handles ALL the bass below 80hz.

    BUT as my REL Q200 is connected via both the line level and Neutrik connector i can set the Front L & R to large and set the sub output to LFE & THX.
    This sounds pretty much the same as all speakers set to small in DTS/Dolby etc but for 5ch/7ch stereo its got a lot more bass!?!

    cheers
     
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    I normally agree with all small speakers, however I have noticed occasionally that men with deep voices cause part of the center vocal to be redirected to the sub, which to me sounds very strange and unrealistic, has anyone noticed this ? My speakers are all setup correctly although I've got the sub about 5 or 10db over the recommended 75 (or 85db) setting.

    Oh yeah all speakers are Rega and the sub's a DIY from IPL.
     
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    If using a sub (and you should for the .1 channel) then all speakers should be small UNLESS they are capable of true full range ie flat response down to 25Hz.

    But I'm sure there'll be every opinion under the sun mentioned and we are all right aren't we :p

    Steve
     
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    Even the B&W 603 should be set to small, you can use the high level connection for direct, stereo only...
     
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    controvertial one here. I agree with Couch Potato Steve's last point. We are all experts aren't we.....

    Well we're not are we!!
    I wouldn't tell Jamie Oliver how to cook, or Schumacher how to drive.
    Plumbers, electricians, mechanics all specialise in their chosen field and generally do it better than a DIY hobbiest.
    Regardless of what car Schumacher drives, he'll get more out of it than anyone else because he's fantastic at what he does. That doesn't mean we can't all have a healthy interest and want to learn about our hobby, but if you want the very best advise and performance then see a specialist. There are some fantastic, professional, knowledgable experts out there, we just need to take the effort to find them. www.homecinema.uk.com seems a good place to start.
     

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