Which should I get: 42px70 or 42pz70?

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  1. everblue

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    I was gonna get the 42px70 but now I have been reading very good things about the 42pz70. I understand that the latter is a full 1080p panel. Over here (in Malta), there is around £400 difference in price.

    My primary use for this TV will be:

    a. Play my Playstation 3
    b. Watch the occasional BR
    c. Watch loads of footie on HD cable (720p)
    d. Watch standard TV/DVDs

    Now for the questions...

    1. Would it be worth it spending a lot of more cash for 1080p? I will be sitting around 3m away from the TV.

    2. Will SD look better or worse on the 1080p?

    Thanks in advance!
     
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    I am am in the same boat as you at the moment, I have been looking at both and the PZ70 offers fantastic PQ for your HD sources and IMO a very good SD PQ (from a digital source, not sure about the analogue tuner).

    You will suffer some loss in quality on SD sources for SD viewing as the TV has to do more work to make the image fit on the screen. I looked at both side by side with the same picture and although the PZ is slightly lower quality SD PQ it is more than accpetable for me. When it comes to HD some will say that at 42" you will struggle to notice the improved quality at 1080p but again IMO the PZ70 looked better with HD stuff (Bluray) and blew my socks off! Whichever you go for I'm sure you'll be more than happy.

    I am set to get the PZ70. :smashin:
     
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    I'd just like to resurrect this thread as I am in a similar situation

    mainly I watch SD material Sky+ and DVD
    Also I have an xbox 360 for gaming
    I measured how far the sofa is from the tv, so viewing distance is 6-9ft. Usually about 8ft.

    I have no plans on HD sources for now, but in the future may consider Sky HD and hddvd/blu-ray once all the format wars are over.

    I'm tempted by future proofing of the PZ70 having true 1080p, but then the PX70 is way cheaper and I could get stand or cab plus an upscaling dvd recorder (although debatable if this is worth it over progrssive DVD via component) for still less than the PZ70.

    So if anyone has compared these models side by side or feels they are able to give an unbiased view I'm all ears!

    in addition anyone use VGA for xbox360 on either of these sets? Any pros/cons over component?

    ta
     
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    Hello Madfiddler, I've just bought the 50" PZ70 and I'm very happy with the PQ in SD. It compares very well to the 42PX60 that I had before this. The PZ70 really comes to life with HD feeds though so if you're not going to be getting any HD devices any time soon then it may well be worth getting the PX70. I must say though that if you are going to get even just 1 HD device I would get the PZ70.

    It's very much worth having a look for yourself to see what you think.

    Anyway happy viewing.

    Scott
     
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    I think the real question is how much better HD is in the PZ compared to HD on the PX, is it sufficient to warrant all that extra money?

    I don't know the answer but my gut feeling and from what I read that whilst it is better, at normal viewing distances it is not blindingly obvious. Have a PX myself and have no qualms about HD when I do come round to use it. No way knocking PX but as it is the cutting edge a premium has to be paid.

    My other thought is that things are moving so fast in this field that in 5 years when HD is the norm hopefully I would most likely want to change my set, so would not want to make such a large financial outlay now.
     
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    I think, as you would expect HD is better on PZ70.

    What you have to decide is: do I want to spend X amount more for the better PQ in HD? This is all down to peoples finances and whether or not they like the amount of improvement in PQ. Some people might think it's £50 better and others £500 better. This can only be judged by going to see these plasmas for yourself. I felt that the difference was worth the outlay with the finances I had available.

    All the best.

    Scott
     
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    guys thanks for your input

    with respect I know its not so simple to say the PZ70 has better picture quality with HD material than the PX70 as there are so many factors to consider....note I'm talking about a 42" set, there is the source to consider as well as vieweing distance which for me will be 8ft...

    Its my understanding that this is spot on for 720p, based on various guides I've read online linked to from this site I'd have to be less than 6ft from the set to appreciate the difference of 1080p and that's not going to happen.

    BUT....as I say main factor for the PZ70 I think is future proofing for 1080p and I'm not sure its worth it, which I think is what you are all saying so far...

    oh yead and doesn;t pz70 have anti-glare? does it actually help?...I've got used to shutting the curtains on bright days with my current CRT...
     
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    You need to go look for yourself.

    Some people are going for the PZ some are going for the PX, only you can really decide. You should be happy with either.
     
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    thanks

    I have actually looked at both...probably too much!

    thing is to my eyes hd doesn't look that different between them but I accept that in store TV setup is probably not that great.

    depending on what day of the week you ask me I'll have decided differently at the mo so I was just looking for some reasoning to help me put myself out of my misery! :suicide: lol!! :)

    I know at the end of the day I just have to make a decision and go with it!
     
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    I've not noticed any difference with the PZ70 in terms of screen glare, same as 42PX60 to me. I think you'll still be shutting the curtains. Think we will all be shutting curtains for a good few years yet.

    Scott
     
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    Until they invent . . . what? :)
     
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    This is why you have to trust your judgement, the reason that its hard to see a difference is that there isn't much, with a SKY HD broadcast it is virtually identicle, maybe a bit smoother on the PZ, but its slight.

    Go with your gut feeling, its probably the right one.
     
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    I agree. Go with what you think is best. I did. To me, at the time, a difference of 200-300 quid was worth paying the extra for. I am biased now, but I think I made the right decision for me. I love my PZ70, I really do. It's great for the PS3 output too.
     
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    On reading this thread I don't think it is about a better quality HD as such, that is a given, it is about finance and perception.

    1. Is it reasonably affordable to you?

    2. If the cheaper option was chosen would you keep regretting the decision or would you look at the decision as the "right" one?

    3. If you opt for the PZ you have answered 1 and 2 so enjoy.:)

    For myself my choice was the PX, it was the "right" decision for me. I would not be second guessing myself even if the full HD priced dropped dramatically because I know that I still have a set that will be excellent on HD and I had a set for the amount I wanted to pay.

    That is my take on it.

    When you do decide the relief will be palpable,...... once you test it and realise that it is as good as you hoped it was that is, but not before.:devil:
     
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    Nothing is that future proof. The PZ isn't 100hz and it doesn't have a HD tuner on board.

    If you are viewing for <8ft and are into blu-ray and HD-DVD and are going to use them regularly going forward ie > 50% of your viewing time then I would say PZ.

    If you are viewing from 8-10ft planning to watch Freeview and DVD for > 50% of your time then I would say PX.

    The PX will give you better SD viewing and still look stunning with HD. PZ is ok with SD and gives you full HD.

    Sensible viewing distance is a big factor and if everyone sat at the correct distance then on balance I would say the PX is the sensible one to go for everytime as most people would struggle to tell the difference.

    However, if you have the finances and are prepared to pay the difference then go for the PZ.
     
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    wont notice any deadpixels on pz70 at viewing distance due to size and externall looks better to me

    my money would buy pz70 instead of px700 as diff £200 but px70 price diff 4-500 so not something you should rush into. I also think pz70 may have 3 fans instead of 4 on px70

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    I have 1 dead (stuck?) pixel on my 50PZ70. But I cannot see it at all at normal viewing distance....
     
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    SD viewing, when I looked at Freeview on PX70 with Snooker there was definite motion blur as balls were hit and sped across the table. PZ700 had no problems here - pin sharp motion.
    Motion fluidity on Freeview was not good on PX70, and improved on PZ700.
    PZ70 meanwhile has excellent sharpness & contrast range, and reasonable motion on Freeview. Freeview actually looks RGB, makes PZ700 and PX look composite!

    PX70 just isn't in the ballpark, choice is between PZ700 and PZ70 IMHO - don't forget the PX range doesn't even have front AV input for cameras/camcorders - please!!!!

    I really would like to know where the SD advantages are with PX, because I'm not seeing them!:mad: Particularly tuner pictures are soft and the blurred motion.
     
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    I have two 360's (a long story) and to connect to my 42" PX70 I use one on component and the other uses the VGA and to be honest I cant tell the difference between the two. The main difference I have noticed is that the component connection scales DVDs to fit the screen whereas the VGA wont.

    I dont think you can go wrong with either set, but as I have said in other threads I am chuffed to bits with the PX70 for use with my 360 (I sit about 9 feet away). If you can afford the extra then the PZ will be better, but how much better for the extra £ ?
     
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    maybe you just had a dodgy px70 becasue the things you say I don't think hold true for my set (now I finally have one!)....it's excellent all round.
    ...had the snooker on last night too....
     
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    I'm in the same boat as i went to look at both the PX and PZ at the weekend and i dont think i could see much differance the PZ looked to have a bit more color than the PX but this was prob setup, so do i spend the extra £250 on the PZ i still dont know as the shop had no HD source to show me but saying that i will be sitting 13 feet away so the 1080p is prob not worth it....

    I do have the extra cash for the PZ but will it be a waste?
     
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    I saw the PX and PZ on HD sources at the weekend, not a side by side comparison but close enough. Also had the Samsung F86 LCD playing the same thing (casino royale) and to be honest you would be hard pushed to notice a difference between any of them. Sure the LCD is brighter and a little crisper but unless you see them side by side (which in your living room you wont) you dont really notice the difference, so I would save the money for something else and go with the PX70. :thumbsup:

    Also saw the Samsung M86 on HD source, a man water skiing and at points his face turned completely into pixels - looked pretty bad, but nothing like that happened on the PX.

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    Would the PZ be better than the PX with gaming?
     
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    Not got a PZ but I can tell you the PX70 is fantastic for gaming, so I'd be amazed if you could notice any difference between that and a PZ. I cant even tell the difference between component and VGA output, or from 720P and 1080i from a 360 on the PX.

    On second thoughts, maybe thats just my eyesight!!! :rotfl:
     
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    Am i also right in thinking that the PX would be better for viewing SD?
    If so Why? Surely the PZ would be better as it's newer.
     
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    +1 for PX70 and gaming....looks fantastic to me, no phosphor lag, no blurring, just crystal clear at 1024x768 on MS VGA cable :)

    but I guess this will still be down to viewing distance as to whether you will notice a diff on the PZ70 I believe....obviously you will be able to set your 360 at full 1080p and that will be native for the PZ70 (no scaling)

    one thing to note if you intend on using 360 to watch DVD or HD DVD on the PX70 though is that ONLY the HDMI supports 1080p input
     
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    I believe that in isolation they are equally good - side-by-side I have read the PX70 is marginally better for SD, this is becasue it does not have to be scaled up as much.....PZ70 is native 1080p res whereas PX70 is 1024x768 native res


    when getting my PX70 I thought that the image I saw in shops would be what I could expect from SD on the set - so I have been surprised to discover it is actually way better than I thought it would be!...the SD image generally used is not only SD but a rubbish quality signal split across multiple TVs

    to me at least even analogue tv looks OK, not great but OK. Freeview and Sky are fantastic
     
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    I would agree, for all round performance e.g gaming, HD and SD the PX70 is a really good set and I will be placing my order very soon. :thumbsup:

    37" PX70 from currys is down to just £588.99 - no stand and only 1 year warranty but still an absolute bargain! :smashin:
     
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    http://www.empiredirect.co.uk/conte...0B~dept~ctv~subdept~PLASMA~make~Panasonic.htm

    if you go to an empire direct store they will price match a local curry's and you'll get the free panasonic 5 year warranty
     

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