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Which setup disk? Avia or Ultimate Platinum?

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by nigel_williams, Jul 17, 2002.

  1. nigel_williams

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    I think I need to calibrate my projector now that I've got the room setup and decorated. Question is, which one to go for?

    Is the Avia better suited to projectors or will the Ultimate Platinum suffice?

    Platinum is Aus$24.95 from ezydvd (about £11 delivered)
    Tried www.dvdpricecheck.co.uk and found the "Avia guide to home theater" - is this it?

    It's about £28 delivered from dvdboxoffice
     
  2. juboy

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    To keep it short and sweet:

    Video Essentials

    + cheap, easy to use, good tests, nice (if dated) demo material
    - nowhere near as comprehensive as Avia

    Avia

    + very comprehensive, fairly easy to use, marginally more aimed at projector users
    - most of it you won't use, still quite expensive

    BTW, Video Essentials contains a mean dead pixel test... which you may or may not enjoy!
     
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    Avia is great :)
     
  5. groundy

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    AVIA is the better of the calibration discs without a shadow of a doubt. However, as mentioned, a lot of it will not be used by most people and it is still quite expensive. I think I got mine from AtlanticDVD which are also in Australia. Worked out at around £23 I think. :)
     
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    Supposedly released 18th July? Not seen anywhere to order it though. Weird.
     
  7. groundy

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    It's about time we had a proper PAL calibration disc. I look forward to "The Calibrator". If anyone hears any more about it's availability etc., let us all know.
     
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    I agree, whoever is putting it out will sell tons of them. VE and Avia are both 3 or 4 years old so a new 'reference' calibration disc will be purchased by loads of people.

    How about we attempt a 'power buy' on this disc with forum members? I know the idea is to buy hardware discounted but if, as I suspect, there's 50 or so (plus?) of us that would put in a bulk order, maybe we could each save a few quid on this new disc?

    Anyone up for trying it?
     
  9. groundy

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    I'd be up for that. Do you want to put it to Uncle Eric?
     
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    You can count me in:)
     
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    Right, I've PM'd Spectre as requested for new power buy suggestions. I'll await his response and, hopefully, we can get the idea out to others and round up some buyers.

    I actually think the number wanting this disc (at the right price) might get into at least a 100 or so :)
     
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    Count me in for the disk
     
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    I am Swedish an so is the new calibration disk "The Calibrator". It has been discussed some on the Swedish forums, here are some information for the non Swedish spoken :p

    It is produced by Dahlström Media for the European (PAL) market. It also contains both Dolby Digital and DTS material. Release date is 18 of July. Suggested street price is 349 SEK (~ £23) but can be pre ordered from www.discshop.se for 319 SEK (~ £21).

    All of above is based on postings made to the forums www.minhembio.com and www.dvdforum.nu

    ---[begin edit]---

    This is a direct link to The Calibrator at www.diskshop.se

    It got even more information in Swedish:

    THE CALIBRATOR är en speciellt framtagen DVD-Video för den europeiska hemmabiomarknaden. Extrema multikanalsmixar i 5.1 (DTS, Dolby Digital) kombinerat med unika visualiseringar i 3D, gör den till ett perfekt verktyg för att ställa in och finjustera Er hemmabioanläggnings ljud och bild. Ett måste för den kompletta hemmabion.

    A quick translation:

    THE CALIBRATOR is a DVD-Video specially produced for the European home theatre market. It features extreme multi chanel mixes in 5.1 (DTS, Dolby Digital) combined with unique visualisations in 3D, it makes it a perfect tool to setup and fine tune your home theatre equipments sound and picture. A must to complete the Home Theatre.

    ---[end edit]---
     
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    Haven't heard about this new disc yet, but, without a doubt, AVIA is the best currently available.

    I also have The Ultimate DVD platinum (cheap from Aus), & Video Essentials, &, I must say, AVIA is essential.
     
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    Thanks for the info EmuMannen.

    I have emailed Discshop to see if they will do a discount for a bulk order... watch this space :)
     
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    I may be wrong but Im sure I read on either this forum or avsforum that if you go for the 'known' calibration DVD's then you need to buy both because there is a mistake on either the VE or AVIA DVD disk (one of the greyscale screens error?) ...cant quite remember to be honest. Anyway its about time there was a PAL up to date calibration disk!.

    Bring on the competition I say :D
     
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    Surely this Powerbuy should wait until we know what the disc's like? It might be a load of pants.....
     
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    Give me THE CALIBRATOR now,:D :devil:
     
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    AVIA is not navigable by some DVD players...noticeably Toshiba's....
    Ultimate wont play at all in some players...
    VE seems to work in all players.

    AVIA has the correct patterns to allow accurate set up of contrast on video processors and fixed pixel processors whereas the VE's pluge pattern is may not be sufficient.

    HOLD YOUR HORSES everyone...

    DigitalVideoEssentials is back on track. Joe Kane productions are currently finishing it off. Mastered in 1080P24 It's likelyt to be the highest spec DVD ever. It will be available in PAL and NTSC fomats on DVD and also on DVHS in HiDefinition. You can probably read all about it his web site
    http://www.videoessentials.com/dve.htm

    Gordon
     
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    I don't like Avia. I find it cheesy and long winded. The only thing that VE lacks relative to Avia is a dithered gamma pattern but I have a seperate one on my PC anyway . ( which is the only place its of any use in my case) I also experience problems running Avia through theatertek whilst VE is fine. I also find the snell and wilcox chart on VE more useful than anything on Avia. Additionally the black point on Avia seems to be a tad higher than on VE. (not done enough tests though)

    Interestingly we use a 35mm frame from the same test footage for our scanning and record reference image courtesy of Kodak. (we call her marcie but I don't think thats her real name)

    Avia gives home theater a bad name check out them jumpers!
     
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    I can see your points. We don't yet know how good The Calibrator is but I'd guess it will be at the very least as good as Video Essentials and Avia but is also PAL based.

    DigitalVideoEssentials may well be worth getting in addition, just like most people currently go for both VE and Avia.

    If The Calibrator retails at around £20 to £25 and we could powerbuy it for, say, £18, I think a lot of people will just buy it to see what it's like.

    Plus the cover art looks mean :)
     
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    I wont hold my horses, I remember visiting their website and reading about the new DVD 'coming soon' last Christmas. Its now July 2002 and still no firm release date!.
     
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    OK, Don't hold your horses then...buy what you want. I was just giving info. Incidentally DVHS digital video essentials has been shown to folk at widescreen review seminars a few weeks ago. The issues they have is getting high enough quality DVD masters done I think.

    I'd buy both and all to test anyway...

    Gordon
     
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    I would also be interested in purchasing this disc!
     
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    Gordon my cynical remark was not aimed at you!, just very frustrated with companies promising things and never delivering. I was told it would be out last Christmas 'soon'.

    Thats all...
     
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    I know, it's OK I never thought it was. I had it on order for 6months too.. then got the email from Amazon saying it was cancelled...but now it's back.
    Gordon
     
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    is anyone any nearer in finding out if we can get THE CALIBRATOR or not?
     
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    I have been able to secure a 10% discount on a bulk order from Peder at Discshop in Sweden.

    He has in turn said that it may be possible to get a bigger discount by purchasing in bulk from the company that makes the disc. I have emailed them about a 'power buy' but they have not yet responded.

    The release date is now 'August' sometime. Don't worry, I'll keep you informed as much as possible :)
     
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    Joe Kane interview in Widescreen Review this month.
    DVHS 720P and 1080i Digital Video Essentials wil be out for CEDIA at end of September.
    DVD's should be out in November.

    There will be 4 DVD's.
    PAL end user
    PAL Installer
    NTSC end user
    NTSC Installer


    They will be encoded in progressive rather than interlaced like all current DVD's. I'll try and post about this later this weekend if possible.

    Gordon
     
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    My HT is nearly complete and I am pretty much ready to purchase one of these calibration DVDs. I hope The Calibrator comes out soon.
     

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