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Which PVR/HDD?

Discussion in 'Digital TV & Video Players & Recorders' started by gpedder, Aug 31, 2003.

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  1. gpedder

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    There's one thing missing from my av setup, a recording device. I'm not sure what to go for though.

    I watch tv through sky and the recorder will need the capability of passing through, and recording the RGB output. I've seen the JVC SVHS/HDD combos and they seem ok, but will they do RGB? The Pace twin seems ok, but the hard drive seems small. I dont really want to go for sky+ because of the extra costs per month.

    What do you think?
     
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    There is some talk that sky may drop the £10 charge, but don't hold your breath. Also if you fancy the pace option if you know and are able to, you can add a bigger hard drive.
     
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    I don't think so - I know the HDS1 doesn't and I'm fairly sure the HDS4 hasn't either.

    Aren't you capable of upgrading it? I'm sure I've heard talk of this. Of course this adds extra cost but then the unit is fairly reasonably priced really.

    Sky+ is great. There are 'rumours' of them dropping the monthly fee. These are only rumours at the moment though.

    There are other options as well - a number of companies do HDD/DVD player combos. Or, even better, HDD/DVDR combo? There are a number of options available/coming on that front (e.g. Panasonic HS2, Pioneer 5100, Panasonic E100)! Or just a DVDR with no HDD?

    Anyway a few things to consider!
     
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    The best PVR without any doubt is TiVo! :clap: :smashin:

    The only down side is finding one :thumbsdow . Try to find one on ebay etc and expect to pay £2-300 for it and then £200 for a lifetime subscription (IMHO a better option then £10 per month).
    Has RGB in & out. The best bit of kit I've ever bought & I paid the full £400 + sub when they were first released.

    Mark.
     
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    I don't particularly want to plug my own web site, but in this case I think you might find it usefull.
     
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    Tivo sounds good, but I heard somewhere that there may be a new box coming out this year. Is this true?

    I wish i'd have known a bit more when they were £99 at dixons..oh well.

    Are there any other HDD only products around apart from the tivo and pace twin?

    I'm off to ebay for tivo's
     
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    Sky+? There are also other HDD digital tuners (like the Pace) on there way. IMHO though HDD technology is at it's best when combined with another unit, e.g. HDD/DVDR or Digibox/HDD, as this enables digital>digital rather than digital>analogue>digital. As and when DVI inputs/outputs become standard this won't be such an issue.
     
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    NO!:devil:
    TiVo are looking for a new manufacturer in the UK for their units, but as yet they have not found one :mad: :thumbsdow

    Mark.
     
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    Surely it can only be a matter of time? HDD products are on the 'up' and the demand for EPGs is growing all the time. TivO satisfies both of these requirements and has the potential to work really well alone and in combos (e.g. TivO/DVDR).
     
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    Pace Twin is pretty good
     
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    Thomson DTH7000. PVR and DVD player in one unit.:)
     
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    Yes. TiVo satisfies this and goes well beyond any other PVR.
    The problem is that the UK is a small market. Why go to all the expense of producing a unit that is for the UK only (setting up across Europe would be very expensive because of the EPG & different languages etc.) and will sell in fairly small numbers. The USA is a massive market and well worth the cost of getting the unit to market.
    Saying all this, I would LOVE to see a new TiVo unit release in this country. Maybe, but I'm not holding my breath.

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    what about guide+ on the philips dvdr80? is that comparable to tivos guide?? has anyone used it
     
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    My HCPC with a Nebula card, 120gb HD and a DVD-r is getting close to the solution, but not as user friendly as sky+.

    Sky+ AFAIK is the only one box to catch the digital picture and audio even in DD5.1.
     
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    Tried this and hated it due to the clunky way you have to program it to record anything, besides its not a PVR as you can't tell it to record for example, Eastenders and it record every episode despite what the time slot is.
     
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    A PVR is a lot more than just an EPG & TiVo is far, far more than just an EPG.
    TiVo will record programs it thinks you will like. It will record all episodes of a series, even if time or channel change etc etc.....

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    And that is Tivo's single advantage over Sky+.With Tivo your digibox is out of action while recording is going-no 5.1-inferior picture-no dual recording(on the way from Sky+).
     
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    And has been since Sky+ was launched! :devil:

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    Are people really looking forward to Dual Record? I mean it's not that often I record something on Sky+ whilst watching something else (more often than not I'm playing something I've recorded), so the odds of me recording two programmes at the sametime is slim. And the amount of repeats and +1 channels that exist makes it seem slightly unnecessary. I suppose if it helps avoid ends of programmes being cut off it may be of some use.

    Personally I just see such an upgrade of Sky+ as an opportunity for Sky to 'harm' my digibox. Just look at all the people who have had troubles with the new card for example! Leave well alone lest it breaks IMHO!
     
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    There have certainly been times (too many) that I have had to use my VCR or PC to record programming I wanted while SKY+ was busy recording something else.
    However to me it's not a killer feature and I don't think it will make a significant difference to potential buyers, reduce the subscription or remove it entirely will make much more of a impact:)
     
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    Not quite, Reliability is another one of Tivo's advantages over Sky plus.

    Sky plus has the reliability of a Sky digibox, which says it all I think.
     
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    Yet most TIVO owners probably source the bulk of their programming off the very same digibox:)
     
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    Sourcing programmes from it is one thing, relying on the digibox software for everything is another.

    The Tivo is thankfully smart enough to remedy many Sky digiboxes failings, thank god!!!
     

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