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Which footie game for xbox?

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  1. Triggaaar

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    After a brief search, I'm still not sure which game I should devote hours of practice to. I realise there are some quite contrasting opinions between PES and FIFA, but would like some opinions on what would suit me.

    FIFA 2003 was the first footie game I've had for years. Enjoyed it a lot, but after a few seasons I gave up, as there were areas in gameplay I found annoying (I could win league & Euro cup on toughest level, but still couldn't score with a cross even on amateur setting - always passed on the floor and shot from inside area).

    On the back of that, I got FIFA 2004, but never got into it. Not sure if this was a mistake of mine. I liked the idea that you could choose how to take corners or free kicks etc, and practice them, but couldn't get it to work.

    Some of the comments I've noticed between PES & FIFA suggest that too many goals are scored in FIFA, which isn't something I'm to bothered about. I personally wouldn't want it so realistic that each game was 90 mins, and could still be 0-0.

    So my questions:
    To those who played a lot more than me, was FIFA 2004 better than 2003? Is 2005 even better still?
    If there is a PES title available for xbox, should I look at that? And what is it specifically that is better about the gameplay?

    Thanks
     
  2. Del Boy Smiffy

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    They say FIFA o5 is better, i say its just as bad as the rest.

    PES4 is due out this month on XBOX so yes there is no other choice.

    PES plays extremely good football, fifa is on rails football. Take ya pick of what your after.
     
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    I am a FIFA fan since back in the day...I've religiously played 2003, 2004 and now 2005.

    Is 2005 better than 2003/4? Yes, most definately. The AI is much better, even on the lower skill levels the opposition pass the ball around more and are tougher than previous versions. The one-touch system makes the game much better and faster to control - this is the most enjoable improvement I think. Yes, scoring from a cross is quite easy, generally I find on the tougher levels, most of my goals come from crossed headers. Graphics are slightly better, some things have changed, such as the default camera angle of corners etc. I tend to find that a few players seem to be better on their preferred foot for example. There are still quirks that prevent this from being brilliant (such as not selecting the goalside man when defending :eek: ), but nonetheless, a great game.

    I played PES4 on the weekend around a mates place. I don't know if it was the finished product or not, but its probably close to it, if it was a beta.

    The gameplay on PES4 was certainly different, in many cases better than FIFA 2005, but it too had annoying quirks of its own. For example, automatically switching my player to the closest when I was defending, which threw me off a bit (especially when I didn't want to control that man). I also found that the commentary was absolute rubbish. I'm not saying that FIFA's is perfect, which has a habit of the commentator going ballistic about 4 seconds after that shot on goal... :confused:

    But the commentary in PES4 was so laughable, I wanted to turn it off after a few minutes. "He's going forward. He's going backward" was an example... doh! :suicide: ...and then the halftime 'expert' comments, was even worse.

    The presentation aspect of PES4 is so bad, I can imagine I'd be ashamed to release it. I've seen better ascii webpages. When you pause the game it lets out a 'ding' noise reminiscent of dropping more coins in an old Wonderboy arcade machine... :thumbsdow - I kept hitting pause to hear the ding, just to annoy my mate...it worked, but was annoying me too :mad:

    That said, whilst FIFA smacks PES4 in the gob as far as presentation and music etc goes, the in game graphics and playability of PES4 is really good. Particularly, the likenesses of the player I found to be better than FIFA. :thumbsup:

    Ok, I've played FIFA for years and PES4 for about 4 hours, so I am bound to be slightly biased to FIFA. But PES4 did appeal to me quickly, unlike all other soccer games I've played, so there must be something good about it. I'll let you know more after a few more games. I'm still undecided as to whether or not its better, certainly different. If the presentation and commentary was fixed up, it might actually look like an Xbox title, rather than appear as a rather good C64 port. Considering the ingame graphics are so good, I just cannot imagine that they could seriously release a game packaged this bad...hence my belief that this may be beta.

    Either way, I think PES4 might be easier to get into if you're new to both games. But give it a go anyway, there seems to be heaps of people that love PES4 and hate FIFA, so try it and make up your own mind. I have ordered my own copy anyway, just so I can whoop all of your backsides on both :nono:
     
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    You can turn off the automatic switching if you want, btw. When you select the controller options just before going into the match, you can adjust the level of player auto-switching. I usually have it on manual, so it never switches without me asking it to.

    In reply to the original question - if you're going to put hours into the game, no-one will argue that Pro Evo will be a far more rewarding experience for you. While FIFA has the initial "oooh that menu looks nice and the commentary's ace too" factor, Pro Evo has the "wow, the passing/movement/goal I just scored looks just like it would in a Premiership match".

    If you're planning to play the game for more than a fortnight, Pro Evo is your friend - the depth and reward it gives you is unmatched by any other footy game at the moment. Due for release 19 Nov on Xbox.
     
  5. Triggaaar

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    Thanks guys. I do want a game that takes some skill, and is rewarding when you do win, but I don't want it so realistic that I never get into it. Think I'll try PES when its out. Not sure why some hate FIFA so much, I really enjoyed 2003, it was far from an arcade shooter.
     
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    Ok, I concede that one...I tried it, it still doesn't always stay on the same player, but it seems to work ok, I just need to get used to it.

    Alright, an update for the thread.

    Replays:
    Much better in PES4, no question. Looks great, and replay cameras are more flexible than FIFA and very fluent. Minor problems with shimmering effect when the player celebrates after scoring, but that may be because this is possibly a beta. I can live with it.

    Player graphics:
    FIFA looks great, but they're much better in PES4. If you never saw PES4, you'd think FIFA's were great as well. One complaint I'd have about PES4 is after you score and the camera closes in on the keeper who has just stuffed up, he pauses for about 4 seconds, then decides, 'oh, the camera is on me, so I'll shake my head now'. Its laughable, but minor. I still think PES4 is better even with that minor indescretion.

    Commentary:
    Crap in PES4, much better but still sometimes annoying in FIFA 2005. More greats from PES4... "He goes down the left flank. He goes down the right flank"...groan.

    Crossing and heading goals in PES4 is cool, much better than FIFA and look more spectacular. Although FIFA seems to be easier now in 2005 and you can perform some great power headers.

    Taking corners:
    Gives you more control in PES4 (as you can practically kick it anywhere), but its not easy to guage where you're kicking it. FIFA gives you 3 choices, but at least you know where its going.

    Throw ins:
    Better in FIFA. The throw in system in PES4 is like the Corners, but done more poorly.

    Free Kicks:
    I don't know about PES4 (didn't get any, but gave away lots :eek: , but FIFA is much improved and works well now. I like the way FIFA does it, but looking at my mate getting free kicks, he prefers FIFA too.

    Presentation:
    FIFA, Suberb. PES4, Crap.

    Gameplay:
    ...mmm...well, truth be told, I really like the way PES4 plays, its really good. If I had a major gripe, (which you can take as a positive and negative), is that when you play a through ball, its difficult to tell how good a position your striker is in, and that's largely because the players are quite large in size and you don't see enough screen. Sure, you have the map, but thats crap with big ass dots and doesn't work as well as the map in Kick Off on the Amiga ever did. And yes, I also played it with the most distant camera on, and it still wasn't the same. In FIFA, the players are much smaller and lets you see more clearly where its going. If you're a bit short of perfect vision, you might enjoy the larger players of PES4 more. The upside with PES4 though, is that when a through ball comes off, they look fantastic.

    FIFA 2005, has beefed up here as well though, employing their new 'one-touch' control system where you can move your player to perform a task whilst he is receiving the ball. This works better than it does in PES4, especially when the ball is coming from behind. In PES4, when the player is running with the flight of the ball, but from behind, it takes longer to control it. FIFA has it almost perfect.

    Atmosphere:
    When I play and score, you want to go ballistic and shove it right in your opponents face. FIFA makes me feel like that, PES4 doesn't. Its a shame really, I think this is the biggest thing lacking.

    Crowd:
    FIFA, used to be crap-average, now its acceptable-good. PES4 crowd looks blocky and terrible.

    Playing Surface:
    There are some really stupid surfaces available in PES4. They might appeal to some, but some just seem to blur the vision. Like the carpets at the casino, they mesmorise you. FIFA's are better.

    Special Moves/Tricks:
    FIFA has improved this and they work well. I couldn't really see anything special with regard to how PES4 did it. Still its early days for me, so I'll forget this one. If anyone can give me tips on how to do it in PES4 I'd be interested.

    Refereeing:
    Both seem to be adequate and fair. Although Chopping a player down from behind does seem more gratifying in PES4. Beckham got sent off for that... :nono:

    Celebrations:
    When you score a goal, PES4 does a better job of making the players celebrate. FIFA's look great, but they are mostly the same replayed, so they get a little tiring. In PES4, if the time is right, they do seem to hump each other a bit (especially the 2 guys hugging and the hips girating, and the two guys lying face down on the ground and a third jumps on to give them a shot), still, its amusing and shows Konami are thinking of the gay minority. :smashin:

    Sound:
    FIFA, great. PES4, effects are good and realistic, but music is average, commentary is bad, especially the half time "So Trevor, tell us some crap about the game" bit, you can hardly hear it, and again, not the same level of atmosphere due to a lack of crowd participation (thats with the crowd full, up to 3 stars).

    AI:
    Both are pretty good. I can't really complain too much, although both suffer a similar fate when the ball is going out of play and you have a player near it. In an attempt to get the ball (against your own efforts mind you, smashing at the controller to get the bloke to stop), he touches it out for the oppositions ball. It really sux and both are as bad as each other.

    I also found a glitch where the opposing keeper saved the ball from a long clearance, just outside the box. He was clearly outside, but happily picked it up and cleared it, much to my disgust. I have not see FIFA do this since the early versions. But it only happened once, so I'll call it a feature until it happens a lot.

    Passing:
    Although PES4 works well, I find to put the ball slightly in front of the player, you need to use the through ball (Y). FIFA 2005, now automatically plays the ball slightly in front of the player if he's on the move. So I think FIFA works better and keeps the game more fluent. Its minor, but nonetheless better in my opinion.

    Keeper:
    Both seem to have relatively good keepers, with good animation. Although the animation in the PES4 keepers looks better, it looks crap when they go to take a long kick.

    Injuries:
    Look good in PES4. I crippled this fool and watched him get stretchered immediately... :devil: In FIFA, they limp around with a + sign above their heads until you sub them yourself. This is technically more accurate, but annoying to change them manually. I preferred it done automatically, but that's my taste.

    Have I missed anything?

    Overall, I am a FIFA fan, I have been for years. I know the game inside out and can beat just about everyone I know consistently. But I like PES4. There are so many good points, if they iron out these few little annoyances, I reckon they would trounce FIFA. Personally I recommend buying both. But I can definately see me playing PES4 for quite a while. Whether it replaces FIFA is another story, I'll wait until my copy arrives from EB before deciding that one.

    Go buy it. I will.
     
  7. Triggaaar

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    Thanks for that detailed report.
     
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    Only changes if you change it at my end, you must have a dodgy copy. :D

    Shimmering effect? Whats that?
    Practice makes perfect, i put mine on a sixpence for Bobby Carlos to ping one over the bar(i will score on one day)
    Hmmm, they seem perfect to me on PES.
    Very good in PES, although its hard to score from them when your crappy Spurs(me)
    Crap, your kidding right?
    You play on what camera angle? I play on the normal long or wide and you can see easily enogh.
    Ah, well there is always specsavers. :rotfl:
    Guess what, im disagreeing again, PES is bursting with atmosphere.
    They aint good no. :)
    In my time i have found just 1 pitch that is pap in PES, thats the ploughed field, what were Konami thinking. :confused:
    Clicky
    LOL, that was funny. I like that there are loads of celebrations and you can assign the correct ones to most players.
    PES could do with FIFA commentary granted.
    In PES you can stop it, its called the super cancel and is done by pressing R1 and R2 together. :laugh:
    Its all down to practice with PES, and they put the ball in front of the player in my experience.
    If a player gets injured during a match he must leave the field, a la PES. So thats the more accurate. :D
     
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    Personally, I'd never liked FIFA titles preferring ISS series on the SNES and N64. Had never owned a FIFA game until I picked up FIFA 2003 cheap for GC. With nothing else to compare it to I was really enjoying it, even if the plays and goals did seem to repeat after a couple of weeks. i.e. it seemed there were a limited number of ways to score etc. Then about a month later I played PES1 on my mates PS1. Even with the PS1 graphics, occasional slow down, lack of liscences, player names, poor presentation etc. I couldn't get away from the fact that PES was the far superior gaming experience. It made FIFA 2003 look like one of those Sega arcade machines. As soon as I found out that there was to be a Jap release of WE6:FE (effectively PES 2.5)on the GC I put FIFA 2003 up for sale (actually made a £1 profit!).

    Basically, FIFA games are great fun, but if you're looking for something a bit more rewarding, buy PES everytime. Just look at the mag reviews. Edge regularly give PES titles 9/10. Most mags 90% etc. yet FIFA 2005 has seen reviews of 5/10, 75% etc. The fact that PES1 was still playable on a dated system speaks volumes about how good the gameplay is.
     
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    I agree with a lot of what Del Boy says, in my limited playing of PES3 I would say a lot of the gameplay faults/points you have raised Johnny are to do with inexperience rather than a feature of the game.

    Your blokes will not run the ball out if control them properly and make sure you keep off sprint all the time. Corners can be hit perfectly pretty much all the time once you get used to it.

    I agree on the throw ins though, I wouldn't say they were perfect and if anything they seem a bit lame. It is a shame you cannot take quick throw ins or free kicks etc in these games you always have to wait for the players to reset themselves.
     
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    ---Checks his calendar to make sure it's not April 1st...
    ---Stares at his screen for a few minutes in disbelief that someone is comparing FIFA to PES!

    Ok FIFA 05 may be better than previous FIFA games, but is that really saying anything? If you want a sluggish fottie game that doesn't really feel like footie then FIFA's your game.

    If on the other hand you want the most authentic and playable representation of the sport to date get PES. Regarding the licesnces & kits you can get an option file that corrects these & if you machine is modded you can also get a patch to imrpove the stadium graphics, chants and music in the game!

    Seriously PES is the only option and buying FIFA has never even entered into my mind!
     
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    Wow - some real detailed posts there, interesting. The one thing that I'd add about FIFA is that the players seem to move with all the agility of an oil tanker. Cruyff turns are all but out as you need a good 2-3 seconds to complete the move, by which time you don't have the ball anymore. The movement of the players is just generally sluggish in FIFA IMHO, while PES allows more control and therefore more skill.

    All of this is completely subjective though, and if you're more used to one series, it's natural you'll be biased towards it as you understand better how it plays. My FIFA is going back to the shop on Nov 19th.
     
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    I'm talking about a flickery bar that appears at about the top 1/5 of the screen when the player celebrates. Once it appeared across half the screen. But again, I don't know if my mates copy is final or what, but I'll see for myself when my copy arrives at EB.

    and yes, the presentation is crap :rolleyes:
     
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    Of course someone is comparing FIFA to PES. After all, thats what the question asked. I'm approaching this as a FIFA fan giving PES a fair crack. Most personal comments seem to say FIFA is crap, or PES is crap. I'm just trying to put forward a detailed account of what I found when comparing both. You'll also note, that even as a FIFA veteran, I did put PES ahead in a lot of things.

    About the mods...do you have a link? If the chants/music could be improved, that would make a definite difference. :smashin: The strips are good as they are, I never made mention of that...damn.
     
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    Sure check out -

    http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/

    You'll have to register but if everything you need to know about modding the game is on there. :thumbsup:

    The strips on PES are OK and have improved with each release, however the game looks better with all the official kits etc.
     
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    Thanks champ. :smashin:
     
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    Excellent stuff, thanks all. I've got a copy of FIFA 2005 which I'm trying out, and it's a big improvement of '04 (which I didn't like) and '03, which had less controllability. As mentioned above, seems like a good game to someone who's never seen PES.

    So next week I'm trying PES4 on a mates PS2. And judging by the comments here, and on searches, it could be a winner.
     
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    Not could my friend, WILL. :)
     
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    "Both are pretty good. I can't really complain too much, although both suffer a similar fate when the ball is going out of play and you have a player near it. In an attempt to get the ball (against your own efforts mind you, smashing at the controller to get the bloke to stop), he touches it out for the oppositions ball. It really sux and both are as bad as each other."

    I've been playing Fifa since the early days of Fifa 96 on the PC and they still have this bug ?, this and many more are the reason why I won't be buying Fifa2005. Time to try PES4
     
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    Mansell, that is bacause you don't know all the controls for PES.

    Super cancel is performed by holding R1 and R" and it takes your players off their "rails".
     
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    Indeed McGraw, you beat me to it :) . I find that most of the complaints that people have about PES come down to them not fully knowing or using the controls. :rolleyes:
     
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    Ive had both fifa 2005 and Pro 4 for a while and Pro Evo easily wins, yes the presentation and non playable things are better in Fifa but they always have been, but for pure football action Pro Evo is the daddy. Plus at least the spanish and german i think have the correct names and things. If you play as Real Madrid then you will never need make any subs :D
     
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    The Italian teams are all correct with the correct kits as well :thumbsup: . If you patch the game you can also have all of the correct teams & Kits. :D
     
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    How would you 'patch' the x box version??
     
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    To fully patch the game you'd need a modded box (which most people with X-Box's seem to have). You then patch an image of the game on your PC and then burn it to DVD-R or RW to play on the X-Box. You can also use amended option files that can correct player names & kits.
     
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    Anyone made a DVD that we can pass around?
     
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    The games not out yet and to pass around a patched version of the game is illegal. There tend to be quite a few patches released until a spot on patch is arrived at so you're better off just getting a DVD-RW that you can burn over each time a new patch is released.
     
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    but I'm talking about the fifa series ,not PES
     

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