Which Diesel Motorway cruiser?

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  1. The Dude

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    I'm racking up 1000m per week at the moment, and the Tomcat gets a bit thirsty doing 6000rpm for hours on end.... :devil:

    So, I'm looking at leasing a nice, comfy, cheap to run Turbo diesel for work use.
    I'm aware of the merits of the obvious contenders (A4, A6, Passat, 320D etc) but are there high mileage owners here of any lesser known diesels?
    I like anything a bit different, so i'm particularly interested in owner/driver reports of things such as Alfa, Saab, Lexus and the like.

    A BMW is probably the last thing I'd like to be seen in, but apart from that my shortlist is not very short!

    All I'm really interested in is (in order):

    1) Economy - I want to be making a good profit on my mileage allowance
    2) Comfort - I need good supportive seats, and ideally plenty of space in the footwell as I need to move aound a bit on long journeys.
    3) Performance - I just need good cruising performance, handling and acceleration are not really an issue.

    So far, my two favourites are either an A6, or a Lexus IS220D.
    I'm test driving both in the next few weeks, any other (Non-BMW) cars to add to my list?

    I know next to nothing about any of the French diesels, are they even worth looking at?


    Any suggestions will be gratefully recieved, but only from owner/drivers, obviously :)


    Thanks in advance :thumbsup:
     
  2. rhino2k

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    you lucky sod, go for the lexus imo :thumbsup:

    my neighbour has recently got one of those new accords, the 2.4 vtec. it is lush, really like it :cool:

    the new diesel one might be worth a look :thumbsup:
     
  3. spocktra

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    Skoda superb or octavia.
     
  4. The Dude

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    :smashin: Cool, almost forgot about Skoda.
    Those two look the part, found some good lease prices, and nice mpg figures on both.

    How close do they come in the real world to their Audi 'equivalent' models?
    (same engine/box package, right?)

    I'm assuming you can get very similar trim levels on both, IYO is the Superb a lot bigger, or a lot better? :)


    :smashin: Honda Accord Diesel - another that had never occurred to me, I'll look into those too. Anybody here driving a Honda diesel?

    If I was going for a petrol cruiser the Lexus would probably be the only one on the list, but I heard from somebody whose opinion I trust that he didn't rate the new diesel all that highly...that it 'wasn't quite what you'd expect in a Lexus' or words to that effect..? I'm going for a look to see for myself, there are a few cracking deals on the 220D at the moment :devil:
     
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    I've just picked up a 4 year old Vauxhall Omega 2.2 DTI for a good price. Absolutely eats miles on the motorway. Wouldn't be available to lease but I've bought with the intention of running it into the ground. 40k on the clock and should be good for plenty more.
     
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    I do similar mileage to you and run a Merc E220 CDI. Would heartily recommend it - comfortable, economical, & stylish. In my opinion anyway !
    Plus the added bonus that big big mileages are no problem for these cars.:smashin:
     
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    Go for the Lexus :thumbsup:
     
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    Running gear and trim sourced from vw/audi.Dealers are excellent.
     
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    I am just about to finish 3 years in an x type diesel 2.0 SE, gonna give the Lexus a try (220d) this time round.

    The Jag cruises and eats the motorway miles returns 50-55 a gallon

    What do get mileage for a oil burner I only get 10p so the jag has made a small profit for me:clap:

    Added benefit jag do a 2.2 diesel now
     
  10. The Dude

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    I've fallen on my feet, just for a change :D


    I'm getting 20p per mile, and I'm getting paid good £ just for driving to and from work each day.
    That's a first for me, so i'm quite happy to invest whatever I earn for driving the car, into driving something that I don't mind driving for 'free'.

    On that basis I can afford just about anything, as the car is effectively gonna be making money whatever I get, but I'm also not looking to throw needless money at something that's only really gonna be a workhorse.

    Oh, what a dilemma! :devil:


    I have to say, The Accord has gone straight on the shortlist after doing some reading up last night. :thumbsup:
    I drove a basic VTEC Accord for a short while a few years back and loved it, if the diesel is as good as they make out, then the Lexus has got a fight on it's hands.
    'Indestructible' would be no.4 on my list of requirements, no worries there with either Honda or Lexus :)

    All the Merc's seem very expensive for what they are?, I've been in a few and liked 'em, but I can't seem to find a reasonable enough deal anywhere?


    Cheers, Keep 'em coming :thumbsup:
     
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    The Lexus engine is also available in the Toyota Verso,Rav 4 and Avensis.The first two may not be what you are looking for,but the Avensis is almost as good as the Lexus for less money.I've just returned from a 2 day trip with the family (five adults),a 44kg dog and all luggage in a verso T180.Easily cruises at 90 fully laden,effortless acceleration in top gear despite the load thanks to 300lb/foot of torque and 42mpg with the aircon working hard.I read that the gearing on the Lexus was a little higher than ideal though I've not driven it.The Avensis must be worth a look.
     
  12. The Dude

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    :smashin: Cool, thanks for the feedback.


    EDIT: On what you've said and what I've just been reading up, It would appear the Avensis is definitely worth a closer look :thumbsup:



    Revised List?


    Lexus IS220D / Toyota Avensis T180

    Honda Accord

    Audi A6 / Skoda Superb


    Anyone driving a diesel Saab? I'm a big fan of the 2.3T but never driven a Saab diesel...
     
  13. stevefish69

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    I have a PD150 Seat Leon and do a very easy 1000 mile plus a week on top of a 8hr day with no problems. I get around 40-60 MPG depending on how hard the right foot is.
     
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    My dad drives the Accord Diesel, and having driven it I can safely say it's a very comfortable drive. The engine generates more torque than any other in it's class, could really do with an extra gear as I think it's only a 5 speed box.

    I've recently been test driving the A6, and it's by far the most comfortable car I've driven, plus the performance is excellent, it really is effortless to drive. I've looked at the others in the class, I was really considering the lexus, but I have a son who need a lot of legroom, and as my wife and I are both 6ft out chairs are quite far back. The A4, lexus and BMW 3's didn't offer enough space.

    The next lexus up the range was going to prove too expensive, I couldn't get over the styling on the new 5 series (inside and out), but the Audi I couldn't find fault with. All I need to do now is get a decent price out of the dealership.
     
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    BMW 520D.
    We have ours about 6 months now. Not much more expensive than the 320d, loads more space, very quite, ,very comfy and some nice toys as standard (auto lights, auto wipers, i-drive, part electric seats etc), 45-50 mpg on motorway runs, i have never seen it below 38mpg (600-650 mile per tankful). Cheap to service/tax and should hold its value well.
     
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    Hmmmmm.........a 520d eh?I wonder who makes that?;)
     
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    Rcoll :) Thanks for taking the time to post with your feedback, but the truth is I just don't 'like' BMWs, not even from the outside :D
    Besides, if I got one I'd surely have to change my name...? :rolleyes:



    :smashin: Cheers for the feedback Steve, that's just what I'm looking for.
    Unfortunately, my mate has a Leon, and they're just a bit too 'small' for me.
    I'm not a big bloke, but I need lots of driver room as i can't really sit still for much more than 5 mins. Thanks anyway :)


    :smashin: Now we're getting down to business!
    Excellent post ahin4114, Cheers for that one mate :thumbsup:

    Space isn't a concern in the normal sense, as the car will be empty apart from me and a laptop.... but I do want lots (loads) of room around the driver. If passengers weren't a concern, would the A6 still be heading the list for you?

    How 'comfy' is the Honda comparitively? Are the seats even close to the A6/Lexus?

    Cheers :thumbsup:
     
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    Hi The Dude, sorry for the late reply, forgot about the thread.

    If space in the back wasnt a concern then I'd be very tempted by the A4 or the lexus. The lexus is very comfortable, the cockpit is well laid out, and it's a bit different from the norm.

    The A4 is an excellent car, probably not quite as comfortable as the A6, but a competent car nonetheless. I'm looking at buying new however and I found that many features are standard in the A6 that are optional on the A4, by the time the options were added the cost differential between the two was so small that it made no sense to consider the A4 much further.

    The honda is very comfortable, I would say it's easily a match for the lexus. The A6 has the edge on cabin noise over all of them, and in my opinion that 6th gear is a real bonus for motorway cruising. The A4 and Lexus have the 6 speed box, the smaller overall cabin space inside (which sounds like it may suit you) and are slightly cheaper than the A6.

    I never felt cramped in any of them, rear seating capacity was the swaying vote for me.

    The bullet point it:

    A6: Top of the list if you need the space or want a lot of options, very quiet, love it.
    Honda: A little less space than the A6, and could really do with an extra gear, but very comfortable and can be had for a good price. Love it or hate it styling, and honda's reputation for excellent engineering.
    A4 / Lexus: I think the lexus has the edge on styling, nothing in it costwise I don't think. If you prefer german to jap' then go for the A4, or if you have a desire for quattro (which is excellent BTW). Otherwise the lexus has equal amounts going for it (resale value will not hold like the others though).

    Just my 2c, hope it helps.
     
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    i am another bmw driver. i have an old shape 525d and would recommend it highly. i am in a similar situation and travel approx 600-700 miles a week and get my mileage paid for. i tested lots of cars including a merc c220d, audi 2.5d quattro, jag 2.7d, 320d and the 525d. to be honest none of them were bad but the 5 series felt more comfortable than the others and was well put together. now, my car has done about 113k miles and touch wood no major problems so far and servicing is about the same as my wife's golf through an independant specialist. but thats just my opinion, make sure you test as much as you can as i orignally had my heart set on an audi but the dealers were rubbish and the car didn't impress me as much as i thought it would.
     
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    i was sure my neighbours 2.2 v-tech accord has a 6 speed box :rolleyes:

    would a petrol be out of the question? i would have thought it was good on fuel (he's that kinda bloke, alough he drives as slow as a granny :rotfl: )
     
  21. The Dude

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    It absolutely must have a diesel lump... :D


    If anything with a multivalve petrol engine slipped onto my shortlist, then all merry hell would soon break loose and it would all be your fault :nono:

    :D



    I've got too big a budget to allow petrol engines.... If I allow myself a petrol engine then i'm obviously allowed a turbo.....:devil: and If I've got a turbo then i'd better have 4 wheel drive... :devil::devil: and I don't even need any back seats at all.....:devil::devil::devil:......and then I've gone and bought something with Gp20+ insurance, and 20mpg... :oops:



    It's a road I've travelled once too often... :D
     
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    well I was at work today (jaguar engineering n research centre) and today they had the new vw passat 2.0 tdi in for examination and comparisment to some jags and they were very impressed with it.looks a lil different and sporty too. I have older shape passat tdi and I hit 860 miles on my tank last week (60 litres) with air con on non stop all week on auto mode
     
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    Hi Dude,

    I missed the anti-BMW bit;) . I was in the same boat, but after driving a number of cars, including Audi A6 (nice and big, but not so smooth or nippy), a volvo s60 (this was a very close second, lovely 5cy 2.5d engine, pleanty of space and cracking deals at the time c.£21,000 new), Honda accord, ford mondeo even toyota avensis, the BMW was last choice until i drove it.

    So if the BM is out take a look at the Volvo or if confort is a proirity look a big French Diesels, Renault Vel Satis, Citreon C6 or Peugoet 607, all big very cheap second hand and are not fragile or tempromental sp? ( no more than anything else):smashin:
     
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    My wife is still firmly anti-BMW, which helped my decision somewhat. The 525D M Sport wasthe only model I would have considered the match in terms of style and performance to the 2.7 A6. But with a 5K premium on cost it wasn't significantly better. I have to say that in terms of performance I didn't think there was anything in it between the A6 and 525, and as far as smoothness is concerned I couldn't fault the A6 at all.

    I didn't look at the S60, but I did consider the S80. I found it a rather uninspiring drive, but it's certainly well specified. For the odd occassion when I'd like to give the car a proper drive, the Volvo just wouldn't cut the mustard.
     
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    I would try the Honda Accord CDTI :thumbsup:


    The Accord has great handling and confort, I drived the 2.0 on the F1 Estoril Circuit, an the CDTI seems a step ahead...:thumbsup:

    The Passat has a sh... handling... :(

    PS: Volvo S60 D5 is very good too...
     

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