Which console was the most revolutionary?

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  1. beowulf

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    My choice - PC Engine

    I had one in 1988/9 and still regret selling it , some of the games were mind blowing , considering the competition ( NES / Master System / C64 etc..)

    A brilliant system , simply too far ahead of its time.

    any others?
     
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    [email protected], it took console to a whole new level and opened up a huge market without which the current soles would cost £500 and have 10 games. I'm not a fan of @Sony but making console polaying a post pub activity was genius, did your dad ever play on a NES or mastersystem of his own accord for 3 hours?
    Or the game boy.

    PS I'm too young to remeber the really early stuff.
     
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    Hard to say really... The NES initially kick started videogames into the mainstream then the PSX took over (in terms of global sales). As for the most revolutionary... Its hard to say since my gaming knowledge only goes far back to the Amstad CPC 464 and anything beyond that is a blur/non-existant.

    For most of the current crop of gamers though the PSX did help change the videogames image to more of an acceptable form of entertainment and the games firmly established that image. WipEout almost sold with a 1:1 ratio with every PSX and that title alone made everyone impressed, from a gamers point of view to the average joe.

    Could go on and on but the most revolutionary console in my era (if we have to use that phrase) would be the PSX simply because it changed the way videogames are perceived by the public, whereas before videogames was the thing for geeks only with huge beards, arched backs and a passion for cheese. Only joking of course but gaming is now an acceptable form of entertainment globally, and the sales has justified it.
     
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    beowulf, have to agree with the fun side of PCengine, in fact last night we sat and played dracula X (castlevania) most of the night , and we had 150+ ps2 games and loads of gamecube games sitting there too, only played ISS on GC for an hour and then put R-Type on the PC engine on.

    great machine.

    but would have to agree on PSX changing gaming forever.

    and probably the biggest jump technically that there ever was or that we will probably ever see again.
     
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    The ps was a big leap , yes! , I had a saturn and thought it was the bees knees - then I played the likes of soul calibur , tekken 2 and gran turismo..

    they really blew me away!

    Of the current crop , I'm impressed with my GC - graphics are impressive..much smoother than the ps-2.

    The x-box is ok - but why not just get a pc for c.£500 and add some ram?

    I use a Mac - the games on that are pathetic.:(
     
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    Hehe the Mac certainly isn't a gaming platform alright but its good for business use. As for Castlevania its good to hear some fans of the series. I had the first game on the NES, the forth on the SNES and Symphony of the Night on the PSX... Stunning games. A bonus for me is that Konami are in the process of making the next Contra game and are keeping it real to its roots i.e 2D gameplay. I love Contra III to bits and have been waiting for a worthy sequel for years ::blocks out mental image of the PSX flop::

    IMO I still think that the SNES was/is the best console all round, looking back. Great launch titles (Mario World, Super Tennis, F-Zero) and a month after we had Mario Kart. Nuff said. It had plenty of support and some truly classic RPGs... But I still couldn't class it as the most revolutionary.

    When the 32-bit consoles came out it was a choice between the Saturn and PSX... While the Saturn had Daytona and many other recognisable franchises, the PSX was slowly building a good reputation in Japan with Ridge Racer, Toshinden, etc. Once the UFG mag ended though when the consoles were launched in the UK I decided that the PSX was the console for me because for its games. I must admit I was pretty impressed with Ridge Racer at the time because of the audio (gotta love engine roars) and the very fast game engine. Once Tekken came out that settled it for me and the rest is history.

    I am impressed with my Gamecube though since anything the Xbox can do, so can the Gamecube with respect to filters and effects. People said that the Xbox has pixel shaders and the like and can do real-time fur and the GC can't... Then along comes RARE with Star Fox Adventures with fur and grass shaders. The Xbox however does have quite a lead in terms of raw polygon power though but that doesn't matter too much. Its not the amount of polygons you can churn out, its what you do with them that counts. Just look at some Dreamcast titles for proof...
     
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    Just a quick word for the Atari 2600. It was the first console I saw that took cartridges (rather than being restricted to 4/5 noddy built-in games - remember the Binatones?). It had bitmapped graphics that actually looked like stuff (as opposed to just having bats and balls), and you could actually play Space Invaders at home!!!
    I was about ten, and to own one was an impossible dream at the time. My Dad bought me a ZX81 instead. Bless.
     
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    I agree 101% with the SNES being the all-time greatest console

    1. Pilotwings
    2. Secret of Mana
    3. Super Tennis
    4. F-Zero
    5. Legend of Zelda
    6. Super Mario World
    7. Street Fighter Turbo
    8. Chrono Trigger
    9. Donkey Kong ( Can't remember the name...sorry )
    10. ...I leave that up to you - my addled brain can't quite get it together at the mo' ! :)

    NOW thats what I call a TOP 10 of games !

    STILL UNSURPASSED TO THIS DAY ! apart frok no. 10...;)
     
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    I also think the DC was sega's best console ever and the games were superb too! shame it crashed & burned ...oh well , at least we still have Sega makin' games for GC & PS-2 -- NOW THAT'S EXCITING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    I don't like the definition 'console'. After all, it's just a computer without a keyboard. :cool:

    I think the most revolutionary gaming platform was the ZX Spectrum. It really brought gaming to the masses, laid the foundations for the UK games industry and started the process of having backwardly compatible successors (e.g. Spectrum 128).

    Mind you, I had a C64 which was a better games platform, but I think the Speccy had the most revolutionary-ness impact within the UK.
     
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    So by that analysis , the DC & Intellivision were computers?
     
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    Anything with a processor is a computer. Including digiboxes and mobile phones. Some are more specialised than others.
     
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    Technically anything with a Microprocessor is a "computer", but a PC is entirely different. A CD Player has a processor, but it is not a computer, it is all to do with the way it handles the data stream.
     
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    That is gibberish.
     
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    ..yeah , right.

    Anyone played 'Revenge of the Killer Plates' on their Dishwasher?

    ?
     
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    Actually there is a technology developed many years ago called NUON. Heh I bet that name might ring a few bells, if you're a fan of Jef Minter. I remember all the fuss about NUON and how Jef Minter was designing it as a single processor. Actually it runs a mean version of Tempest but so far I have only seen a NUON DVD player.

    The technology was ment to be included with almost anything electrical, to washing machines, TVs, DVD players, digi boxes, etc. It was ment to be a discrete bit of technology, creeping into household products, kinda like how Sony have planned to use the GS and EE of the PS2 into TVs and DVD players.

    So far though on the NUON DVD player, it only has a rather funky menu screen... No sign of Tempest as a free game though.
     
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    If you're looking for revolutionary games machines, well, as much as I hate to admit it, the PC has more claim than any console.

    The PC is the platform where games rules are broken. Mainly because it's always potentially so much more powerful than the very latest games console, and capable of so much more.

    Don't get me wrong - I despise the PC as a games machine; unreliable, expensive and with a tendancy to quickly become last week's technology. But it's got the best games first and best. Not to mention having the multiplayer/internet games market cornered.
     
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    The most revolutionary games system on computer was that huge warehouse of a machine that could play O's and X's via punchcards :p

    Seriously though, the most revolutionary for the moment was the first games machine, which played pong, that kicked it all off. I would say that the SNES was the Golden Age and we are currently headed into Industrialization of the market.

    All I need now is a bloody big TV or projector so I can finally enter the 3rd generation.
     
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    The SNES was a fine bit of hardware that had a lot of great games written for it, but honestly, what was revolutionary about it? It was just another cartridge based console, an evolution of the NES, and apart from being slightly superior to the MegaDrive in terms of technical specs there was really no huge difference between the two.

    There wasn't much revolutionary about the PlayStation hardware as such, but it did spark off a gaming revolution. It brought gaming to the mass market, and (due to games like WipeOut) made games cool rather than nerdy.

    If XBoxLive kicks off big-time then the XBox will have a good claim to being a revolutionary piece of hardware due to the inspired inclusion of a network card. Could still fall flat mind-you.

    Just because a system played some fondly remembered games doesn't necessarily make it a revolutionary console. Anyway, my vote is still for the Atari.
     
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    True, but then software sells consoles and if we were only looking at it purely from a hardwares point of view then the PC would be king. Hardware has more evolutionary aspects then revolutionary... Sure the GPU was a big step up but then that technology has been around for ages and then nVidia introduced it to the masses. Without software though you wouldn't be able to show off the hardware, other than via white papers.
     
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    I thought it was about what was the most revolutionary console, not the most powerful hardware.

    I was thinking in terms of what consoles have revolutionised gaming. No doubt, if you can afford a £2k PC and £500-600 a year on hardware updates then you will always have the most powerful hardware.

    I would add the original GB as being truly revolutionary. It effectively created a new class of console all on it's own, and despite some serious attempts by big-budget manufacturers, it effectively has no competition in the hand-held games market.

    Now, when that was launched it was revolutionary. The latest ninja PC is kind-of like last years, but a bit quicker again.

    I don't want to turn this thread into PCs v Consoles again - that's not where I'm going! I think this is a good subject for a thread. People say there's nothing revolutionary about gaming any more. It's all franchises and sequels and FPSs with more polygons. Bit if online takes off with broadband that could be huge and we'll see games going in some genuinely new directions. And I know PC gamers have been on-line for years - I play a bit of CS and UT myself - but the number of people who do this relative to the number of consoles in living-rooms is very small. If developers can use connectivity to create some really compelling console games then Microsoft (who seem to be the must online-bullish m/ferers out there) might just be able to hold up the Xbox as the console that started a revolution. SOny have online plans too, of course but it's going to be dial-up and they aren't nearly as comitted to it was MS who already have a NIC in the box.

    I guess I'm waffling off into 'future of video games' thread territory though.
     
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    Hehe I missed the PC Vs Console debate on this forum, but have been involved in one on another. This is indeed about consoles and not the most powerful hardware. I should have quoted on my last post -

    That was the point I was referring to on my last post.

    When I had a good look at all 3 consoles I think most of us would have agreed that the Xbox was in for a rough time but would come into its own come the 2nd half (2003-5) mainly because of the built in HDD and network adapter. Xbox Live is Microsoft's ace, but if it isn't done well then quality software for the console needs to be increased. Certainly though as lechacal has pointed out, MS are the most pro active firm on the online gaming front. They have the cash, should have the expertise and have the contacts to make it work. Online gaming for the masses would be huge if only there are the games to make it so. Not everyone is a FPS gamer so there is a need for online gaming to hit off in other genres.

    Anyways back on topic... To be fair I wasn't really into the gaming scene before the NES days so my first hand knowledge isn't great. I only had an Amstrad CPC 464 and games like Bombjack, boudler dash, Spy Hunter, Spy Vs Spy, Kung Fu, IK+, etc etc got me hooked. So with that in mind (and with retrospect) Atari does have the jump in terms of improving the hardware to such an extent that 3D gaming was possible.

    The Gameboy I would agree would be another candidate. It has the hand-held market all to itself and while other rival formats were better technically, the sheer amount and quality of software available proved to be the winner. Will the GBA have the same amount of success? Only time will tell and only software can drive sales.

    I suppose if we go way back we could call the "console" that had the first videogame "Space Wars" to be the most revolutionary, purely because it was the first videogame and marked an era for Pong. The code was punched on cards and only a computer the size of a v.large washing machine could run it. I've forgot the name for the computer though... Maybe someone could shed some light on it?
     
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    The GBA will do better! It has the whole back catalogue of SNES games to rely on....... I played Super Mario Advance 2 for hours and hours on holiday, as it reminded me of the good old days (I forgot how hard the special levels were!). Absolutely superb game as well sparked a whole debate on the quality of Mario!

    As for MS Live........ OMG MS will really have to pull the stops out to get ready for this. The MS Zone for the PC is the worst multiplayer matchmaking service out there, laggy to use, chat zones crashing (well at least it always did when I used it). Plus I can guarantee that the service will be released in the US and we will not see official support for the UK until 5 years later!

    I hope they can sort it out, but still, I would rather be playing Multiplayer Mariokarts or Metroid then most games on the X-Box that I can think of. Although, that ties in to my PC gaming :)
     
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    Well, MS Zone was oriented toward dial-up. XboxLive won't be catering for the lowest denominator, and if anyone has the ability (and the motivation) to get it right Microsoft has. But it will be about the games. Online rehashes of old concepts won't be good enough. I don't think it will be too long before we see it.
     
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    Still it needs to be available to the masses and not everyone in Europe has a broadband connection. The technology certainly warrants it though with live voice commands and the like. Tekki could be the sleeper hit for the Xbox in Japan with its huge controller weighing 8kg... It'll cost a fortune to get that shipped to the UK alright. Other games like TimeSplitters II (which also has online play and link up on the PS2... Link only on the GC) helps but it does need software to convince the public to go online. I can only think of PSO that would generate interest but then Microsoft could have more titles under its belt...
     
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    pc engine was a great machine and if you had the pc engine GT handheld then even better (like me). Way ahead of gameboy \ gamegear and much better games than GBA.

    The Megadrive and SNES were good. The PS(one) was ok but the graphics look awful.

    The dreamcast has been the best machine I have owned and the games are great. Still holds itself against todays machines in terms of games and graphics. If it had sony and not sega on it, it would of been a best seller and still goinf today.

    The ps2 - lets forget that shall we.

    PC, GC and XBOX - great machines but aimed at different ages.
    Well impressed with XBOX, gamecube looks good but the games look to be aimed at the younger crowd.

    PC is great if you can afford to keep upgrading.

    thats all
     
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    There can be only one ..... It has to be the Xbox. Technically superior to every other console out there. Also it has the greatest potential for gaming excellence. Let's hope the developers squeeze every last drop of power from the big green gaming machine. I think M$ have done themselves proud with this, their first console. I just can't wait to see what their next effort will be like. :)
     
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    Microsoft have just basically provided the hardware but they don't really have a top first party developer. Instead they've bought their way though with the wise purchase of Bungie. Without Halo the Xbox would have struggled a lot more than it is now. Sure the hardware is great, but (to repeat myself) this is a console and not a PC (well okay, technically it is, but hear me out...).

    Software drives console sales, and how many killer apps are there on the Xbox bar Halo? How many were made by Microsoft internally?

    Sony did the same but at least they produced Gran Turismo and a few other games. Going back to the Xbox MS (before the price cut) were loosing about $100 per unit. Since the cut that has more or less doubled so its going to be a while before the Xbox gets back into the black. Also nVidia takes about a 7-10% cut per unit since the Xbox uses their technology.

    Also every gamer would have read that MS have lowered their global sales estimate since the launch - From 6 million units to 3.5 to 4 million worldwide. Things are not looking too great just yet but everyone knows about MS budget and the consoles sheer potential. Xbox Live! is probably the most important thing for MS right now because the potential is just amazing. However it needs to reach the masses and for broadband to become standard in terms of internet connections. How many of us have broadband right now?

    Thats not to say that the Xbox is a bad console, far from it. But from a software p.o.v. it is lacking in exclusive titles. EA is supporting everyone so that doesn't matter, Sega seems to support the Xbox more so far with ShenMue II, Panzer Dragoon, etc... But take away all the 3rd party support from all consoles and have a look at what you are left with.

    That really should be the basis on what console is for you because almost all 3rd party games will appear on all formats anyway.

    But then, if there are any fanboys reading this, all of this text would have gone over your head ^_^
     
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    Well speaking as someone that once owned a PS2 ... and currently owns a GameCube and Xbox, I think you'll agree that I'm in a position to speak objectively.

    While I hear what your saying, I don't entirely agree with it. There have been plenty of exclusive games already released for the Xbox, admittedly several of them are upgraded versions of titles allready released, but then none of the titles are available on the PS2 or GC.

    M$ have already stated that there are over 300 games in development with 200+ promised before the end of the year, plus their investing some Two Billion Dollars, that's more than most consoles will see in an entire lifetime, let alone the first year.

    It is strange however, that the public are slow to take to the Xbox, I myself was sceptical at first, but having jumped ship, I've never looked back.

    Regarding cross plarform titles, take a look at Spiderman (as a recent example), to see what the Xbox factor can do, better graphics, better sound, extra levels. Can't be bad.

    We've just had Motor GP released, which is a stonking Motorbike Sim'.
    GP4 is coming soon, with the PC being the only other version. Several posts I've read about the PC version, indicate that you need a tip-top spec' PC to have every option enabled, whereas the Xbox version will do it straight out the box (and faster apparently).
    Again, theres Morrowind, yet another PC conversion, (no other console will have it).
    Let's not forget Blinx, which looks to be a revolution in gaming. Again not available on any other console.
    Plus GS has announced that Doom3 will be converted to the Xbox, apparently with enhancements. However, I doubt it'll be quite as high res'.
    Last but not lease Project Ego .... Very special apparently.

    That's just off the top of my head, there are so many others, that I could have listed.

    So you see, there are a lot of excellent games available and coming to the Xbox, so the software argument is mute. ;)
     
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    That is where MS loses out, it hasn't designed a console it has designed a PC in a box. Yes, it is an extremely cheap PC, but it also has a lot of cut out functionality.

    I personally would not buy an X-Box as I have a pretty good PC, that can play games, do internet stuff, write documents, design HTML etc etc. MS have shot themselves in the foot not getting decent in-house exclusive games on board.

    X-Box will be a Western console, I can never see it doing well in Japan, I may have to eat my words :p But I cannot see the home of the console warming to a Western invention, which does not provide any of the titles that market produces.

    BTW I just got my GC and have been playing Super Monkey Balls for ages, absolutely superb!!!!
     

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