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  1. Gordon @ Convergent AV

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    OK,

    SS is thinking about re-doing some of our dem rooms. Well, we're always thinking about it to tell you the truth!

    However, as virtually every cinema we install ends up having a games console in it (or several) we'r going to put one on dem. Question is, which one?

    We want cracking picture and sound and hopefully a few playable games! Please post suggestions and reasons why....OH and hopefully it'll be something that will actually still be around in 12 months time.

    Secondly: On-Line gaming. I have a client who believes on--line gaming is going to take off. He wants his theatre pre-wired for this eventuality. To this end I would like confirmation that what's required is a point in the room with broadband access or just a phone line along with suitable cabling to take the picture and sound to the video and audio processors.

    Thanks in advance.

    Gordon
     
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    Hi Gordon,

    I think at present the best console on the market has to be the PS2 (I know someone will disagree though!). It has the entire PS1 back catalog to fall back on and it's own games are starting to become interesting.

    I haven't read too much about it's online strengths, but I believe it has a broadband interface to play online games. Not having broadband (and unlikely to have for years) I don't know how good it is. You might want to have a look at the forums over at www.gamespot.com where you might get more info on online gaming.

    Remember that the Xbox and the Game Cube are also due soon and they might be options, but I think for long time appeal it has to be the PS2.
     
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    Wouldn't it be best to demo a PS2 anyway, as it is the most appealing and mainstream of the consoles? Granted now only through a lack of alternatives, but even when the X-Box and Gamecube are readily available, most will choose the PS2. It's had its headstart, most of the games are familiar, its appeal to the largest group of gamers - the 'casual gamer' - is untouchable. The average joe is more than likely to pick the PS2 as his or her gaming machine of choice, so it would make sense to use the most appealing and mainstream machine to demonstrate video games on your systems.

    Anyway, look at the alternatives. Old, blocky graphics on a PS1. A fast-sinking and unwanted Dreamcast (sadly). An N64? Not even RGB. Wait for X-Box? Expensive, and also a new and unproven name to the gaming industry, so obviously not the first choice for the average gamer. The Gamecube? From the previews I've seen, Nintendo are making the same old mistakes and staying within the realms of video games as toys, full of cute characters and bright, garish colours. It will be mostly avoided (cue strong yet naive arguments against this opinion).

    The fact that many of the PS2's titles are tried and tested sequels should be an advantage, because you can demonstrate improved and great looking games that should be recognisable to anyone familiar with video games. Therefore the PS2, despite any shortcomings, has to be your first choice, together with the most obvious titles to demonstrate - Grand Turismo 3, Fifa 2002 (nevermind being rubbish), Tekken, Tony Hawks 3, Wipeout Fusion (when released).

    I'd get a PS2 hooked up through component video, playing an EA Sports game in wonderful DTS. It's fantastic.

    Hope my long winded reply has been of help.
     
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    Okay consoles aren't my thing but I would think that the game cube or Xbox may be the answer. Not so much for the games or the console itself but I believe that both (somebody please correct me if I'm wrong) can support component output which may give you a better picture.

    If you sell HCPC's I would think that would be your answer if you just want to demo games.

    It really depends on what provider of broadband he is going to use. If he is going to use ADSL (from BT Openworld or an real ISP) then you just need a phone line. When the time comes to actually install the adsl they change the box on the wall and the connection in the exchange. If he's going cable he will need a cable point. What does he want to connect for on-line gaming?
     
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    It's like crack - you ain't never going back.:D
     
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    Nintendo making the same old mistakes? I agree that the games may seem to be aimed towards younger players, but Nintendos games have, historically always been superb experiences. The genius of Miyamoto cannot be underestimated. Let us not also forget that Nintendo are making more money from video games than anybody else, if I was running that company, I think those same mistakes would continue to be made.

    I have been playing games for the best part of 25 years and have always been excited by and purchased the newest consoles until recently. The PS2 has had probably the worst release ever, in terms of games available and only just very recently has it become a system worth taking any notice of. The X-Box is an interesting prospect and one that I am more than willing to buy into, I just need to be shown more. The most exciting prospect for me is the US Cube I have on order, I am expecting it any day now, can't wait. There are enough quality titles at launch to satisfy me and many more in the coming months. Nintendo have never let me down in terms of quality gaming on the NES, SNES N64 and Gameboy advance, why should they start doing so now?

    Who cares what the mass market go for, that doesn't make it the best. The mass market didn't buy into the Dreamcast, but that hasn't stopped me from purchasing and enjoying a sizeable number of games. That console owes me nothing and I have many PS2 owning friends who whined for ages that they wished they had got a Dreamcast instead of waiting.
     
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    Well I now own PS2, Dreamcast, HTGPC (Home Theatre Gaming PC tm ) and Gamecube.

    For Demo material the Gamecube with Star Wars Rogue Squadron 2 is the one :)

    PS2 for widespread acceptance though.

    Broadband connectivity depends on type. For example you could have them wire up a small lan in the house. have an Ethernet point in the room and run this into the room with the broadband PC. With a small ethernet switch you can then have online gaming in the room easily.

    Regards Neil.
     
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    If your client can wait a few months, and you can get broadband, I suggest that you hang on till March 14th 2002 for the UK release of the Microsoft X Box, which apparently has broadband capability straight out of the box.

    X Box also has some top class games coming for it, such as Dead or Alive 3, Halo, WWF Raw is War, Tony Hawks' 3, and plebny of others!

    I know all the Sony zealots will bitch and whine at me for this, maybe even threaten me with curses on my first born, but if you want online gaming on a games console, DON'T buy a PS2, cos it ain't even GOT an online gaming facility yet for a start, never mind the fact that most PS2 games with the exception of Tekken Tag, and possibly Star Wars: Starfighter and WWF Smackdown 3: Just Bring It, are actually well, a bit pants to put it kindly!

    The Nintendo GameCube also sucks, cos the games are childish cutesy platformers and crap re-makes of old games like Resident Evil, the console itself is also ugly, and looks like a big purple cross between a 70s disco machine and a pop-up toaster!
     
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    You just blew a well formed argument with this nonsense. Anyone who knows games knows its the Games that count rather than the look of the machine.
     
  10. Gordon @ Convergent AV

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    Neil,

    This house is having a large LAN network. I've put data points at the games hub in the theatre. We were trying to think who we knew to get detailed info on high bandwidth networking and amazingly I forgot what you REALLY do for a living....doh!

    I'll call you about this and some other stuff.

    To everyone else. Thanks. PS2 was very high on our list. It's what everyone has but I've never seen a great looking game on it. I think I need to visit a gaming guru soon!

    Gordon
     
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    That's as maybe... But I still don't want something THAT ugly residing underneath me telly!

    Sorry mate, but that's my opinion.
     
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    You have my absolute agreement, in terms of gameplay, Nintendo cannot be beaten. Any informed gamer can tell you that. However, Nintendo's tendancy to make and support cartoonish games is a serious marketing mistake. The NES and SNES audience has grown up now, and wants grown up games. Grand Theft Auto, Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid.

    Sony is the pop band of games... attractive, easy on the eye, usually shallow, often devoid of substance. Nintendo's games are more exclusive, appealing to the minority in the know. I own an N64 because I know just how fantastic Nintendo games are, and most certainly want a Gamecube. But the mostly ignorant public are always going to go for the nice looking, much more reliable yet shallow gaming experience before a unique and exciting gaming experience under a presentation of cartoon cutishness and bright colours.

    A crying shame... but true.
     
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    Of course they are and I shall happily let them.:cool:
     
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    I will let them too. But one day this is going to catch up with Nintendo as it has with Sega. Gamers grew up with these two companies, in a time when only children played video games and by default they regarded as manufacturers of a type of toy. Now that the video game audience has grown up, the industry is trying very hard to shake off this stigma, with much more adult orientated games, and machines that are more well placed in an AV setup than ever before. And gamers are contributing to this shift with demand for grown up, mature games and machines. Slowly, video games are being seperated from the toy sections in stores and catalogues and rightfully joining the ranks of authentic AV equipment.

    So when Nintendo release a bright blue machine, and a line up of games featuring sickly cute cartoon characters and gaudy images which only seem to be popular amongst the Japanese market, they are unfortunately confining themselves to a small audience. That of very young gamers, and those in the know, who realise that under the garish and childish surface lies the best gameplay in the business. Only Mario games can get away with their cute appearance, because they are legendary, instantly synonomous and recognisable by all as the best running series of games ever. But just think of how the N64 would have bombed if it were not for this fact, and for the awesome, and fortunately cute-free Goldeneye.

    So don't be happy so few people buy and play Nintendo games. What happened to Sega could well happen to Nintendo if the Gamecube doesn't show some signs of maturity, if there is no 'Goldeneye game' this time around, and that would be the biggest disaster to hit videogaming ever.
     
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    Fair point, but please bear in mind the cute games are being released on ALL the platforms and not just the GC.

    You should also remember that Capcom are releasing a superb (and gorier looking) Resident Evil on GC.
     
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    Resident Evil is looking superb and Rogue Leader doesn't look very cute either. It is true that Nintendo are usually known for their cuteness but I think that is changing. The Resident Evil series being a case in point and now exclusive to Gamecube.

    There is an interesting article in this months NGC magazine, which talks about Nintendos changing attitudes and how they are trying to give their games more mass market appeal. Rather than trying to paraphrase, I will just quote it.
    This is a major change of direction for the big N and one that I welcome. I consider myself a hardcore gamer, been playing for nearly 25 years, but with work and family commitments I have much less time to spend playing games. So long as Nintendo keep their imagination and playability, I believe this will be a good move and one which can only strengthen their position, given the current state of the video game market.

    I am not anti any system at all and will gladly buy a PS2 when there are some killer games I can't get elsewhere, the only thing tempting me at the moment is GT3 but not gonna buy just for that. I just think it is a shame when people say they will not buy a cube because they don't want something like that sitting under their TV, what kind of a gamer is that?

    I just wish my damn Cube would hurry up and get here, currently it is somewhere between Cologne and here. So far it has been on a flight that was cancelled and another that was delayed over 12hrs due to a mechanical failure!! Really wanted it here for this weekend, hopefully by Tuesday I will be playing Rogue Leader, monkey Ball and Luigi's Mansion.
     
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    All the Next Gen Consoles cater for all ages and tastes.

    Nintendo has just signed Resident Evil Series over to the Cube
    And Microsft are releasing titles like Have a Mice Day, and also a Fashion Show game.

    With regards to the which points to install, the best way to do it is to have a Lan setup, with a cental Router linked to a broadband modem (does not matter if ADSL or Cable), and then the Network branches out from there (install Switches not Hubs and choose Cat 5e or 6 Solid Wire cables). I can't see no reason why you could not have a Wireless LAN as these go upto 10Mbs and a Broadband connection is not even 1Mbs yet

    You can then plug in a PC or Xbox into any of the Lan access points (they do not talk to each other, but they can share the same network and bandwith).

    I would choose an Xbox for the ideal solution as it has 256 simultaneous audio channels, 3D positional audio, and real-time Dolby Digital audio encoding, so you could link it up to use your Home Cinema Sound System.
    Plus the Xbox supports HDTV and TV resolutions up to 1920x1080 which would be ideal for a large screen.

    As for games and demos, the Xbox has a lot of good titles coming out, nearly all of them have 5.1 Sound (buy this months Official Xbox Magazine (out now in UK) as this has a DVD you can play in a Standard DVD player, to give you an idea.

    I already have a list of 7 titles I want on the Xbox

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    Anne: Thanks for your advice. We have already planned for what you are advising. Nice to know I got it right.

    For everyone else I went down to my local Games specialist shop and spoke to my mate Charlie at CA Games in Glasgow. They'd just sold out their first batch of XBox's and were waiting on another delivery that day. The CUbe was sitting their doing a demo of Star Wars game....

    I thought the Cube actually looked, physically, pretty good. The game loop, playing on a 24" wide Sony TV I think, looked like OK but it didn't really inspire me.

    Charlie felt the XBox games out just now were all pretty appalling. Best was Halo (I think that's what he said) but even it had very poor movement with lots of judders on pans etc.

    He advised that PS2 was the safest bet with greta games out now and some mega ones available imminently.

    I'm going to wait see an Xbox though before we make any decisions.

    Gordon
     
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    The X-Box is the one to have if you're willing to wait. I can't wait for it. But I'm going to have to.

    But I would most certainly invest in a PS2, as well as an X-Box. People are going to be more impressed seeing a machine and games that they are more likely to own.

    Get both, like most of us will.

    Get a Gamecube too cos it will be ace.
     

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