Which Amp to compliment my future Sony 3D TV purchase.

techifan

Active Member
I currently have a Sony STR-DA1200ES and I hope to purchase this TV when available.

KDL-46HX903 (KDL46HX903) : Overview : TV & Home Cinema : Sony

I was tempted to upgrade to the STR-DA2400ES but I understand that there may be problems connecting this to some 3D BD players re HDMI 1.4.
What I was hoping to do was to connect this Sony 3d BD player to the Sony TV via HDMI 1.4

BDP-S570 (BDPS570) : TV & Home Cinema : Sony

Then take an optical feed from the TV to the STR-DA2400ES to handle the audio. I understand this amp will handle all the current Digital formats including HD but I do not know if the TV will output HD Audio via its optical output.
I know that Panasonic apparently have two HDMI outputs (1.4 for Video) (1.3 for Audio) on its 3D BD players but this limits my choice of player.

Although I do not necessarily need to feed video through any amp, basically does it come down to this. If I purchase the Sony STR-DA2400ES will I only be able to connect this to a Panasonic 3D BD Player. If I purchase a Sony 3D player would it be better for me to purchase the Sony STR-DN1010 to future proof and safeguard any possible connecting issues.

What do you advise.
 

dante01

Distinguished Member
No device outputs or handles HD audio via optical. The S/PDIF protocal thaat is associated with optical lacks the bandwidth handling abilities needed for HD audio. If you want HD audio thn you need to attach ypur playback components to the amp via HDMI, either this or use multichannel analogue connections that are not always available and gradually being phased out in favour of HDMI.

Panasonic produce 3D compatible BD players with 2 HDMI outputs. One output is 1.4 while the other remains 1.3. You connect the 1.4 output to your 3D TV for the 3D film content while connecting the 1.3 HDMI output to older AV amp for the HD audio.

Another option would be to buy one of the newer AV amps with HDMI 1.4. I'd not rush out to buy on of these just yet. The choice is limited and no mid to high end models have been released yet. I'd wait at least a year before making a decision. By this time prices should have dropped slightly and you'll have far more choice.
 

nenito2k

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@dante and other audio specialists...

i am worried too...
99.99% of home cinema owners have an hdmi 1.3 A/V receiver....
During the last several weeks most A/V amps released are "hdmi 1.4 compatible with 1080p 3D video".

My QUESTION is: What happens to to all of us that have hdmi 1.3 A/V amps and will upgrade to a 3DTV and 3Dbluray player (ps3 in my case)??? will our old A/V receiver still read 3D blurays and 3D sky box channel? or will it sound blank???

should we ALL sell/throw our current 1.3 A/V system ?? you advised not to buy 1.4 now...
i am quite worried as i spent so much money building my home cinema !
:confused::confused::confused:

please tell me there is a solution
 

dante01

Distinguished Member
You can effectively continue to use the older AV amps in conjunction with HDMI 1.4. The audio encoding used has not altered in the slightest, the changes are only apparent in relation to the way some of the 3D content is formatted. Some of the 3D formats require HDMI 1.4, not only to output and receive the 3D formats, but to allow some of the formats to passthrough. Older AV amps wouldn't allow you to connect a 3D HDMI 1.4 device to them and passthrough all of the 3D video formats. It is only in relation to passing 3D video through an older AV amp that problems arise.
 
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nenito2k

Active Member
@psm1 & dante

thanx for the reply and link.
But i was supposing that for games 3D will not be such a big deal to pass through the amp (hooked to the TV) since they are 720p 3D....and use less bandwith. so in the worst case scenario hdmi will go to the TV and optical cable to the amp and you WILL play games.

The main issue is when the ps3 will update to 3D movies in 3 months:

I want to be able to watch 3D blurays with DTS HD via my hdmi 1.3 amp.
BUT as i understand that will not be possible since current amps can't handle 3D blurays (and 3D sat receivers???).
1. I forget about DTSHD and hook the ps3 to the TV (while enjoying sound from optical)
2. the ps3 is a hdmi 1.3 device so maybe, just MAYBE it will be compatible with hdmi 1.3 amps...
3. When viewing 1080p 3D bluray....the ps3 connected to the amp will only handle dts 5.1 (not HD version) or worse no sound AT ALL.

Dunno if you guys see what i mean...this is a real problem, buying the TV is already too much but buying another AMP 1.4 hdmi is a killer...

i can thing that anothet solution would be that the futur ps4...will feature 2 hdmi outs (for tv and 3D picture; the other 1.3 version for use with an amp)

SO what are your views FOLKS :)
 

Passingbat

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As has been suggested, I'd wait before buying a new amp.

Things will become much clearer when the PS3 update is done. Around March next year, the 1.4 HDMI amps will be the same price as the 2400 is now. If you don't want to wait, you could buy the 2400 and a panasonic 3D blueray player that will work with an HDMI 1.3 amp because of it's dual HDMI outs.

Choice of HDMI 1.4 amps are very limited ATM, with onkyo being the main one available (someone said the Pioneers were also starting to ship). But they are the mid to low end models. In a few months time, all manufacturers will have their full ranges out, but they will be at a price premium because they are new. In March next year, they will probably be cheaper by £100-150.
 

techifan

Active Member
No device outputs or handles HD audio via optical. The S/PDIF protocal thaat is associated with optical lacks the bandwidth handling abilities needed for HD audio. If you want HD audio thn you need to attach ypur playback components to the amp via HDMI, either this or use multichannel analogue connections that are not always available and gradually being phased out in favour of HDMI.

Panasonic produce 3D compatible BD players with 2 HDMI outputs. One output is 1.4 while the other remains 1.3. You connect the 1.4 output to your 3D TV for the 3D film content while connecting the 1.3 HDMI output to older AV amp for the HD audio.

Another option would be to buy one of the newer AV amps with HDMI 1.4. I'd not rush out to buy on of these just yet. The choice is limited and no mid to high end models have been released yet. I'd wait at least a year before making a decision. By this time prices should have dropped slightly and you'll have far more choice.

Appreciate your advice but what's wrong with this.
Looks like a good price and would fulfil my 3D requirements.

http://www.play.com/Electronics/Electronics/4-/13571985/Sony-STR-DH810-AV-Receiver/Product.html?_$ja=tsid:11518%7Ccc:%7Cprd:13571985% 7Ccat:Cinema+Systems

On the Sony site this appears to suggest it has virtually the same spec as the STR-DN1010
 
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dante01

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techifan

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Hi dante01 :hiya:
Apologies for apparently posting similar questions in other posts but I am trying to gather as much information as possible before I make any purchases.
At the end of the day I guess it comes down to personal choice but for me I have been happy with Sony in the past and I do not want to wait 12 months to purchase my amp. :eek: Life’s to short. :D I did some searches and found the STR-DH810 available now for £300.00 and as I think I stated earlier I do not particularly require the more advanced video processing abilities of the STR-DN1010.
Having said that and knowing me I will probably wait for reviews and in the end go for the STR-DN1010 ;)
 
Hi dante01 :hiya:
Apologies for apparently posting similar questions in other posts but I am trying to gather as much information as possible before I make any purchases.
At the end of the day I guess it comes down to personal choice but for me I have been happy with Sony in the past and I do not want to wait 12 months to purchase my amp. :eek: Life’s to short. :D I did some searches and found the STR-DH810 available now for £300.00 and as I think I stated earlier I do not particularly require the more advanced video processing abilities of the STR-DN1010.
Having said that and knowing me I will probably wait for reviews and in the end go for the STR-DN1010 ;)

Personally, I have no interest in 3D with glasses but each to their own.

If you are reliant on reviews and like Sony look at the ES Receivers, in particular the Sony STR-3500ES, a bargain (IMHO) at £400 at RS at the moment alhough probably not HDMI 1.4.
 

techifan

Active Member
Personally, I have no interest in 3D with glasses but each to their own.

If you are reliant on reviews and like Sony look at the ES Receivers, in particular the Sony STR-3500ES, a bargain (IMHO) at £400 at RS at the moment alhough probably not HDMI 1.4.

Yes, I understand that this 3D thing is a little controversial especially for folk that have recently purchased their TVs but the thing is that I currently have a Toshiba 36” picture Frame TV, a high end flagship TV of its time costing £1500 but it is now approaching 10 years old and starting to show its age. Therefore I think I would be a little short sighted for me not to consider the 3D option for the future. The thing is that if I purchase a top end replacement TV I would not be looking to change it any time soon. Edit, very long time. :)
 

richard plumb

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Have a look over in the switches forum. Seems like you might be able to put a 1x2 HDMI splitter on the back of the PS3 and then feed one output to your amp for HD audio, and one to your TV for 3D video
 

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