Which Amp & Sub for Kef Eggs

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  1. 40something

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    Hello and I want some help on a budget of no more that £500 to replace my old receiver/amp and replace a broken Subwoofer.

    Old system: Kef 2001 (5 x Eggs no Sub)
    Old Amp: Sony ES1200

    Used For: feeding a LG UHD 4K 49" screen, Virgin Media 4k box, PS4 (non-Pro), Xbox 1 S, PS3.

    Room: 4mts x 3mts square.

    Looking at a Sub that will work with Eggs have looked at getting a new 5.1 speaker system but cant find anything in budget to beat the Eggs (I think).

    Amp been looking the Denon AVR-X2400 but think its got more than I need. I like the 5.1 so having more speakers don't really feel the need. So please help find me a good (not going to be playing loud) amp and Sub please.

    Thanks
     
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    I'd suggest the BK Gemini II as a budget option for a replacement sub:
    Gemini

    I'd suggest the AVRX2400 as being your main contender for the AVR. You may however now have issues still finding one in stock anywhere?
     
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    Yes that's what I have been looking at and then add a sub

    Going to blow the £500

    Thanks
     
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    Have you tried searching psw2010 subs on a well known fleabay. You can pick up a refurbed unit for around £150
     
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    Those kef subs were prone to amp issues i personally wouldnt get one

    I'd defo look for a s/h bk electronics sub like the xls400. The gemini will do but is a bit small imo for that size room

    The 3001/5's were a nice upgrade over the 2005's for me. you can get them in pairs for less than £100 on ebay. The centre normally goes got around £80 and would be the first one i'd upgrade. massive improvement.
     
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    That's true they are likely to breakdown which is why I mentioned refurb.
    Had mine from new which broke but had the capacitors replaced and has been fine for the past 4 years.
     
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    Thanks everyone but can i have an idea over a possible cheaper amp?

    I want to be able to get an amp as my old Sony (that i loved) is needing updating so much.

    As for the speakers etc until i find an amp i don't know what I'll have to spend.
     
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    Personally I'd look for a Denon 2400.

    Both my dad and my best friend use the denon 2300 (the previous years) for their kef set ups and I am always impressed when i hear them. For the money it's hard to beat.

    It has more channel;s than you need but most avr's do now days. not many have 5 channels anymore. the biggest difference over the sony is its room correction with audyssey and full 4k pass through for a bit of future proofing.

    Denon AVRX2400 (Black)

    https://petertyson.co.uk/denon-avr-...trQvw4buuZBJAbmTFbleprb3qEYHR99saAkAhEALw_wcB
     
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    If I go for the Denon AVRX2400 (which I really like) then that leaves me with £150 for a Sub. I would really like a new Sub but understand the helpful people who have said about getting a second hand one.

    The big thing that has been pointed out is the centre speaker not being great. Which has always been playing on my mind "that its not very clear etc). So that leads me down the road of looking to getting a new 5.1 set up or a centre speaker. What I need now is an amp that is not as costly as the AVRX2400.

    What about…… any of these

    Amps....
    Yamaha RX-V481D
    Pioneer VSX-832
    Sony STRDH790
    Denon AVRX550

    Speakers....
    Mission M-Cube+SE
    Wharfedale DX-2

    Or I keep the Eggs and replace the centre speaker, Amp and Sub?

    Centre Speaker....
    Monitor Audio MR
    Monitor Audio Mass
    Tannoy MERCURY 7C

    Sub...
    Yamaha NS-SW050
    Cambridge Audio SX120

    Amps....
    Yamaha RX-V481D
    Pioneer VSX-832
    Sony STRDH790
    Denon AVRX550

    I love this site as you get so much help so thanks....EVERYONE
     
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    Them subs are not going to cut the mustard imo. They are an 8 inch driver with not a lot of power and you have a decent size room. asking it to move enough air in that size will quickly show it's limitations, especially with only using satellite speakers which generally cross over at 120hz

    The great thing about bk subs is that they are made here in essex. My gemini amp was faulty (sub was nearly 10 years old and i sent the plate to tom @ bk and he fixed it for approx £30 and sent it back. i'd have no issues buying a s/h bk sub with that customer service in place.

    regarding the amplifiers, again for the sake of shaving off £50 or so, none of them can compare to the 2400.

    Regarding the centre channel, ideally you want the front 3 speakers to be the same to retain tonal balance and timbre across the front sound stage. Kef shine here due there uniQ driver having similar sound signature across the range. also depending on how the centre is mounted (like in a unit) can create muddled sound. I had a similar issue with mine where around 120hz was peaking and sounded muddles. Room correction helped massively with this and is one of the denons strengths over the others with audyssey

    KEF HTC 3001 Silver Finish Home Cinema System Centre Channel Loud Speaker | eBay
     
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    Hello thanks so

    If I keep my Eggs all 5 and get a Gemini Sub that's £250 approx. Then the amp is £300-£350 its over.....
     
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    Call Tom. he generally stocks b grade items etc and 9 times out of 10 can give you a good deal. I still think the gemini is a compromise but still miles better than the others you listed.

    Personally, we are talking £50-100 over budget so my advice would be to save further, rather than making compromises.

    From experience, it's cheaper to do it properly first time round. its a lot cheaper in the long run :D

    I'd also change the centre for the 3001 which i linked above. again no rush, just when funds permit
     
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    Ok I have send BK an email asking Thanks
     
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    Fingers crossed you get a deal then because dollag is giving you very good advice in post #13.

    Martin.
     
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    I have contacted BK and still waiting from them.

    I have also contacted a company about fixing my old Kef PSW2000 Sub and I need to send it away free to find the expected cost. Others have paid £75+ to fix an old Kef Sub with them.

    What I would like is to ask "is it better to fix the old one or purchase a new one?"
     
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    So i cant get the Denon 2400 and can get the 2500 for £400. I been offered Pioneer VSX933 for about £300 is the 2500 going to sound £100 better?

    And the VSX933 gives me £200 for a sub. So is the 933 any good? Lots of good reviews on it.
     
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    I paid Kef to fix my sub once and then, when it failed again, I refused to fork out more money for them to once again carry out a repair on a machine with a common and well known and documented fault and purchased an B&K XLS-400 sub a number of years ago and have never looked back since.

    That said, there used to be a guy on these forums who repaired Kef subs for a very reasonable cost but, for the life of me, I cannot remember any details and don't know if he's still around. Perhaps another member may be able to help, or do a search in the subwoofer sub-forum.

    Martin.
     
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    Why can't you have the Denon 2400 - RS are advertising for £300 instore exclusive ?
     
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    Hi thats what i hoped for but i cant travel to collect and most dobt have them. So I'm looking at the Pioneer.
     
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    I'd suggest the Denon receiver as being the better option.



    You can call your local RS in advance to ask whether they've a X2400 in stock?
     
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    I've been in touch with Peter Tyson they dont have any 2400 left. Thats what i hoped for to price match it with RS. Can have the 2500 for £399.99 which is great but cant get a sub then. And I'm not wantibg to increase my budget.
     
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    i would look to save for an extra month or 2, 100% worth getting the better amp for the sake of up to £100
     
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    Will this sub see me out if i get the Denon 2500?

    Wharfedale Diamond SW150 subwoofer
     
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    I can't say for sure on recommending the sub tbh.. personally i have the monitor audio mass sub which came as part of the 5.1 package.. Regardless i wouldn't try and scrimp and save on something for the sake of £100, hold off and then get the better option, you'll only kick yourself afterwards. I've been there before..
     
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    Think I've sorted it Denon 2500 amp and a monitor audio mass 200 Sub under £600.
     
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    Thats a great price, where have you seen that?
    Just bear in mind the sub is rather large! if that may concern you i would pop into a shop to check it out first..
     
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    Hi the size of the Sub will be fine and until I place the order I'll hold back on where just incase it sells out.

    Sorry
     
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    I can understand that! for that price i would bite their hands off
     

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