Which 8800 help please?

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  1. danz1985

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    Hey guys,

    I'm about to draw up some parts for a new computer build (1st try for new build), nothing too flash but to run quite alot.

    I never read to much into graphics cards but heard the 8800 recommended alot but on a search I have found so many variants I'm a bit swamped.

    Anyone know the best one available for my budget/ compoents please?

    Will like to have more than one gfx card (maybe add 2nd in a couple of months when have spare money).

    Budget is around £150 - 200 but can add a bit more.

    My MOBO will be a MSI P7N Diamond with 4 gig ram to start and processor is a Intel q9450.

    Any help much appreciated and apologies if been asked many times before would just like an up to date answer.

    Thanks.


    Edit, I've seen these 2

    512MB MSI 8800GTS, PCI-E 2.0, Mem 1944MHz, GDDR3, GPU 730MHz, 128 Cores, 2x DL DVI-I for £201 and

    1GB Asus 8800GT PCI-E 2.0, Mem 1800MHz GDDR3, GPU 600MHz, 112 Cores, 2x DL DVI-I £145.

    I'm not too sure how much difference or what will give better performance but these are the 2 that caught my eye, if any better suggestions most welcome.

    Maybe some GTX models.
     
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    thats a very expensive GTS! where the hell is that price from?

    The GT is the same as the GTS missing a few shaders, a clocked up GT can beat a stock GTS and IMO if there is a big price gap £20-30 stick with the GT. The new cards are coming soon so it might be worth getting a cheap GT around the £100 mark (the 1gb offer little benefit so steer clear) and buy a better card down the road. SLi is nice but doesnt perform aswell as you might think. many games just spit their dummies out.

    Check out the new Ati stuff to come (4850 and 4870) AMD/ATI are aiming for the mainstream market which is fantastic. Nvidia are offering monster cards, but they draw a lot of power and run hot. They basically jus added more to the existing design rather than refining it.

    Very bad time to go out and buy high end so an 88GT would be my recommendation, and the cheapest one you can find at that!
     
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    agreed for the price difference the 8800gt gets my vote but you can find cheeper gt's than £145 there comming down to the 100quid mark now if you look around
     
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    Agree with most of whats being said. However, what resolution are you going to use? That can also dictate the best value.
    Used 8800 cards will start to plummet once the next generation take hold.
    8800GT is excellent value if your resolution is 1600 x 1050.
     
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    I wouldn't buy anything until you see what ATi's new offering (HD 4800 series) will bring to the table. They are expected to launch in a couple of weeks.
     
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    Thanks guys,

    Ok It's just I was reading up and GTX apparently had better frame rates.
    I see a GTX by asus for 192 pound, any good? but is there really not that much difference?

    I'm planning to build in about 3 weeks and need a card for gaming, HDV video editing via Vegas 8 and running Vista 64bit.

    Oh and i'll be running a 40 inch sammy f86 1920 x 1080.

    I'm spending about 850 quid on this pc so nothing majorly flash, just want to prove I can do it easily with no hitches and will last a few years. My next pc will be the top line with all the trimmings.

    The price for the gts was scan I think.

    link for GTX I found cheapest I found but maybe I'm looking in wrong places.
    http://www.shop.bt.com/productview....1137&PageMode=1&NavigationKey=11137,402350000

    link for OC GT
    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?BFG-88GT5

    Don't see many links here on this site though so apologies if not meant to post and please delete.
     
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    the gtx was the fastest card in the 8800 range (excluding the short lived ultra's) but for the price/performance and bang for your buck loads of people where going for the gt's and gts's and just overclocking them abit and getting similar performance to the gtx.
    if your budget is around £150-200 then you could get 2 8800gt's ebuyer have this card for £99 inc vat Zotac 8800GT 512MB DDR3 Dual DVI HDTV Out PCI-E Graphics Card with 660Mhz core and 1800Mhz ram
    or even the Point Of View 8800GT EXO Overclocked Edition 512MB GDDR3 Dual DVI TV Out PCI-E for £106.82 inv vat and this card had 650Mhz core and 1950Mhz ram (no shader speeds mentioned on either card)

    you could get 2 of these and run sli for £198 or £213.64 (depending on which card you go for) which is around your budget. this would give you much better performance as you are gaming at a high resolution (1920 x 1080) a single 8800gt probably wont cut it.
     
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    You, my friend, are a legend.

    I'll do just that with the overclocked one, many thanks agian.

    Sorry one more thing, as mentioned earlier about Sli not being totally compatable with some games, would this be possible to just easily fix by say disabling one card?

    The only game i'm interested running is the new Command and Conquer Red Alert 3 until I get back into PC gaming. May buy Cod4 if its better on pc than 360.
     
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    Sli is a bit of a gimmick really, I've tried it with 6800's and 7900's and the latest reviews for 8800 and 9800 shows the same. In most cases sli doesn't give you the extra performance to warrant the cost. In some games you get small perfomance increases, in some it actually reduces the speed. And in a very small handful of games it actually works properly.

    Then also consider the facts of the extra heat and power required plus the reduction in room and pretty slowly I came to the conclusion that Sli just isn't worth the hassle and cost. If you really want to run dual graphics and for it to actually work well then look at a Nvidia 9800 GX2 card. Costs more initially but the benefits in speed and usability may outweigh the cost.

    Finally Nvidia are launching a new range of cards now so it may be worth hanging on a bit to see what they're like.

    Finally,finally, if you are running it on your Sammy at that resolution I think you'll find the 8800GT will struggle when gaming. My choice for that resolution, barring the new range out, would be a 9800 GX2 and if you can't afford that then a 8800GTX.

    Finally, Finally, Finally, yes COD4 is way better on the PC compared to the 360.
     
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    Oooh decisions decisions lol.

    I've got 3 weeks to do some research so will have a look into everything. Thanks for everything guys.

    Any more info, suggestions or advice welcome.
     
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    Just to add to what people have said here.

    I am running a BFG OC 512Mb 8800GT in my media pc and running that at 1920 x 1080 res for the desc top as well as games and it is handling everything fine. It is feeding a 50" Pannasonic TH50PF10 (1080 screen) over component and it is awsome!!!!!
    I dont think you would have any problems feeding your screen that res?

    It runs TUROK, GRID etc at these settings and with the AA normaly on 4x

    It is a great card for the money and I have seriously considered adding another for Sli but not really sure that it is worth that considering how well just 1 on its own is running.

    Kev
     
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    Thanks for input much appreciated.

    Ok so whats the general consensus if I upped my budget to 300 quid? but preferably 1 gfx card due to I have a my 6 month old daughter in my room and the 360 is like 6 radiators as it is.

    Any ATI cards that are better? sorry for the multiple changes but i'm sure some like a challenge. Also would an ATI card run fine on my MOBO P7N Diamond.
    It's just everywhere I read there are mixed reviews and peoples views on some forums, but, I trust this site more due to help with other things in past.
     
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    9800 GX2 barring anything that Nvidia are launching this or next week. As far as I'm aware ATI/AMD have nothing in the pipeline that looks like it can compete.
     
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    Cheers,

    That seemed the weapon of choice for me but am slighly concerned that the memory bus is 256bit x 2.

    Does that officially equate to a single card that would have 512 or does it not work that way?
    Just a bit worried it may bottleneck my system from what I have read but I really have no idea at the minute until I can get really up to date (which will take a while)
     
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    once you open your budget up to 300quid loads more cards become available. i would wait a couple of weeks for the new cards to come out. this should drop current gen prices down a tab and some of the new cards should be in your price range aswell.
     
  16. danz1985

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    Excellent news, any other that are better than the 9800gx2, obviously we wont know the prices until we see these price drops but rough estimates.

    The absolute max I will go is £360 as I've seen a few around that mark.

    If no ideas i'll post back in a couple of weeks when I have the rest of my pc specs finalised.

    360 quid lol, was only a week ago my budget was 150 but what the hey.

    Can't really afford it because getting eyes lasered but whats the point in having good vision if I can't see a decent screen picture lol.
     
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    Not many monitors that are 1600x1050, most near that are 1680x1050.

    I'm not sure about the memory bus but the memory does only equate to a card with 512mb of memory, which looks like it's going to be too little at your resolution (look at some crysis benchmarks with AA turned on with full settings at 1920x1200).

    But this is somewhat silly for just C&C 3, there's a review of a card here that has a C&C3 benchmark with various cards listed and there's very little difference between them so spending £90-100 on a card would be fine.

    If you do want to spend more than I'd also say wait and see what the new ATI 4850/4870 cards turn out to be like.
     
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    Thanks but Red Alert 3 is just the start, I do intend to get back into PC gaming which would involve new games at max possible res. Also video editing via Sony vegas using High Definition DV.

    I've decided that providing my system spec wouldn't bottleneck it, I would be willing to buy a new nvidia card (280) bearing in mind that my processor is going to be a Q9450 which I may overclock if I get the confidence. Also eventually 8 gig of PC2-8500 RAM (4 gig to start). P7N Diamond MOBO.

    I see a 280 card for £399 which is the cheapest I've seen and will spend that much if it is worth it and like I say, isn't bottlenecked by my other components.
     
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    the only thing that would bottle neck your system would be hard drive speeds. you can ger round this with a good raid configuration. and 8gb of ram would be a bit overkill for gaming (4GB would be plenty) but for HD video editing it might give you better performance as you have much more ram to store video files being edited. see how video editing with 4gb of ram goes.... you might find you wont need to upgrade to 8GB. you could overclock your cpu (its not that hard and us lot can guide you through it) core 2's overclock real easy. as for the graphics cards. the GTX 280 is very fast but its very very hard to find a card under £400 (i havent found one yet, where did you see your £399 one?) but the 9800GX2 is imo a better option. it still performs very fast (in one or two tests its better than the GTX280) but slightly slower in the others. but the 9800GX2's can be had for £350. imo the 9800GX2 is the better price performance card to go for.
     
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    For hard drive I was thinking of 2 x 500gb 32mb 7200 rpm 8.9ms, just deciding which brand unless that spec is a big no no, running in raid config. Would that bottleneck? Thanks for advice on over clocking but didn't want to worry too much about heat and making sure i have loads of fans/expensive ones. If that isn't a worry then i'm definately up for that.

    I'v seen soo many variant of the GX2 are there any special cheap ones, ones that stand out for a price or are they prety much all the same?

    I can't remember where I see the 280 for £399, but I could be wrong althought sure I wasn't, been staring at a screen for like 16 hours straight today so never know. If I see it (and I will look) i'll be sure to post it asap.
     
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    Western Digital RE2 enterprise class are a very good drive 5 year warrenty and a 247 drive for servers . go too there site had a look . if i did not have me raptors they would be me raid o setup . the gx2 they do a overclocked versions but if your not running very high res do not bother ..

    oh yea there is a price war coming with nvidia and ati so hold out for the card .
     
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    the drives are not dear (trust me i have had them all) there very good and i have one on the slave .


    a standard card would easy run any game at that res.the new cards just show how well crisis plays. if you can get one near then same price as a standard get that . but a overclocked version sells better looking too future .. i have the gt xxx xfx and i can sell that well easy
     
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    i would reccoment the RE2's they are very good drives and as said above come with a 5 year warrenty for 24/7 use. im getting 4x 160GB RE2's and a PCI-E raid card to run all 4 drives in a single raid 0 array it should be blisteringly fast. how much space do you think you will need? as for my needs 1TB is a little on the large side. 500GB would be more than fine for me. but i have never seen a bad review about the WD RE2 range. they are more expencive than the standard hard drives but, they are enterprise class hard drives with a huge warrenty compared to standard hard drives. namuk i havent seen much about the hard drives you sujested but i do have high hopes for them. they do look a little on the pricey side though. you have a 500GB RE2 (says so in your sig) how does it perform?? could you run a quick 8mb test run with HD Tach and showus the results??
     
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    Thanks, 500 GB will be fine for me, All my HD vids will be archived on the HDV tapes anyway so not too fussed with that. They'll be sufficient enough and won't bottleneck in a RAID 0 config I assume?

    Also I read on here that the smaller the cache the better for RAID, is this true? It won't matter if I get the RE2's but it's just for knowledge as I was considering a 32mb cache assuming it was better.



    Not many more components to go now lol, only case, PSU and other little bits to confirm. I didn't think finding a nice case thats cheap would be as hard to find as it is.
     
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    them VelocityRaptor are very new not seen a reveiw yet but for the price they whould have tobe good one thing there bigger ..
    the hdtach will not run on vista . but got a reveiw

    http://techreport.com/articles.x/8784

    if you search there are loads there is one on net putting it against the raptor in some cases it does better it

    just found this VelociRaptor reveiw

    http://techreport.com/articles.x/14583

    small or what looks like a notebook drive made for pc odd
     
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    Hi there this is a bit of a radical suggestion and if possible wont be interested but have you considered buying a £200 quid GFX card now, which will be pretty damn good and then buying another £200 one in 12 months time instead of blowing £400 now on what will no doubt be average in 12 months time. I have seen lots of people buy the ulitmate PC for £££ and they do last for some time but I prefer to drip feed that money - I bought a 8800GTS 512 6 months ago, getting a E8400 or 8500 intel CPU in july. New grpahics car again in january next year maybe - but thats just me.

    There isnt much out that wont work brilliantly on a £200 card with a good CPU right now and in 12 months there will be games that are pushing it futher as always. Just a thought - this keeps my PC running sweet and the bank balance happy to boot. by the way I assume you running vista with that much ram as well.
     
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    Hard drives are so slow that you shouldn't worry about them bottlenecking in things like gaming since they're not accessed in real time anyway, a faster hard drive will just improve your loading speed at the start of a map.

    It may be different for video editing if you're dealing stuff too large to be entirely loaded into memory.
     
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    Thanks for the comments, yes I will be using Vista (haven't built yet) and I have decided to go for 9800GX2 and upgrade in future so am similar to what your saying just with extra 100 quid. Then when more advanced Gfx cards comes out and if compatible with my board I will upgrade.
    I didn't see much point in spending that on a relatively new card which I am still learning about.

    Endless, thanks for that. I can put up with a bit of slowdown when video editing, anything is better than my lap top which stuggles when editing dvd quality.

    So far I have P7N diamind MOBO
    Q9450 processor
    9800GX2
    2 x 500GB WD RE2 drives running in RAID 0
    Probably a Thermaltake Shark case but debating that.
    Corsair Dominator PC2-8500 4 gig RAM

    All subject to change though as I have done many times. When I am closer to completion, I will post in the computer systems thread as it's a little off topic here
     

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