Which 65 inch TV

[Lambert91]

I initially posted a similar thread in November but the house purchase has only just gone through and TVs seem to have dropped in price a fair bit. I will be using sky Q 4k and watching alot of sports (4k) and some movies netflix etc.

Options based on what I have read on here and rtings.

Q9FN (£2100)
- is it worth £700 more than xf9005
- better OS than sony apparently
- concerned that the pre calibration score is 7.4 stating that out of the box colour accuracy is poor. I couldn't justify paying for someone to calibrate it and I have no idea regards to playing with settings or general TV terminology.
- sport is rated 8.3 vs 8.1 on xf9005

Xf9005 (£1400)
-£700 cheaper
-OS meant to be really bad / slow)
-no ads like the samsung?
- higher pre calibration score
- higher post calibration score 9.5 vs q9s 9.4


Questions -
reading one of dodgexanders guide im sure it mentions samsung as having better or best motion out of all the brands and sony not the best. Based on watching a lot of sport (football) would it be better to get a samsung?

Pre calibration score is low and because i have no idea would I even be better with a q6fn which scores really high straight from the box?

If the post calibration score is better on the xf9005 does that mean when both tvs are setup correctly the xf9005 is better?

How bad / slow is the xf9005 OS?

Thanks for any advice in advance.

 

[zeppelino]

The Sony is the better option for mainly sports content. Everywhere else the Samsung is better.

You can get basic calibration settings for most TVs online so don’t be worrying about having to adjust settings. It’s also important to note that TVs are calibrated for each environment so what works for some may not work for others.

 

[Lambert91]

Thanks for taking the time to reply. Please could you explain why the sony is better for sport? I dont know alot about TVs.

From rtings the q9fn is 8.3 for sport and xf9005 is slightly lower 8.1. Also on dodgexanders thread for motion sensitive he ranks samsung above sony for motion

Currently (best to worse) Samsung, Philips and Panasonic let you have the best motion without using interpolation or introducing lots of flicker.
Sony, rank a little lower in my opinion because they flicker a bit more than the others and can't meet the same levels of motion without also introducing slight interpolation also.

Are both TVS 120hz? The issue with the OS people talk about on sony, is it just slow to load the smart apps like netflix youtube etc or is it worse than that?

 

[Dodgexander]

In the guide: Explanation and Best Buys for the Motion sensitive 2018 Edition it isn't ordered by rank. It list lists TVs that are using 120hz panels enabling you to use the motion enhancements to good effect.

I wouldn't rank the Sony above the Samsung or the other way round.

Some people believe Sony's motion processing to be very good, better than Samsung, but really its in the eye of the beholder.

Samsung do have better dark frame insertion, they can flicker the screen faster to reduce blur more effectively than Sony models can. By comparison when you use the same tech on Sony models the picture flickers more obviously and darkens more.

You can't really draw conclusions without owning both TVs and trying them with your sources with different motion settings but I wouldn't think the Samsung has bad motion at all.

If you know you prefer to use motion interpolation (for example with sport) you may find the Sony a better match.

If you know you prefer to use dark frame insertion, you may find the Samsung a better match.

But the biggest difference between the two is how good they are with HDR, the Sony only gets to almost 1000nits peak brightness while the Samsung a lot more, so the Sony should be considered only as a decent TV at displaying HDR whilst the Samsung is better equipped for that duty.

I do wonder though why you are looking at these two TVs when you have mentioned your sources are going to be Sky Q and Netflix, your use of HDR is likely so low that you could be overspending on both TVs. You may be better suited saving the money and going for something like the Samsung NU8000 or Hisense U7A as they both have good motion still but at a fraction of the cost.

 

[Lambert91]

Thanks for the advice guys, I have just purchased a 65 Q9FN which was £1935 and comes with a free samsung s9 which should bring the overall price to £1500-£1600 for the tv which I thought was good.

I have seen plenty of settings for the q9fn on the internet? Which would you say is the best?
When the tv arrives is there anything I should be looking for? I have seen many people in the q9 owners thread mention issues with something called DSE, and uniformity and sending panels back? How can i check for these things when I don't know what they look like?

Also, just got a 43nu7400 and got a va panel. Just had sky setup but it isn't detecting the tv as 4k? When it shows as a 4k tv on the specs... Any ideas?

 

[Dodgexander]

Samsung Q9FN Calibration Settings

Which would you say is the best?

There isn't going to be a "best" really, for that you'd need to calibrate your own unit. You can copy the basic settings though, probably advanced settings will be different from one Q9FN to the Next.

If you read the review here: Samsung Q9FN (QE65Q9FN) Review you can see out of the box settings are already accurate so just as long as you disable the obvious settings and use the movie preset, you'll be fine.

I have seen many people in the q9 owners thread mention issues with something called DSE, and uniformity and sending panels back?

Every TV has this to a degree, where one part of the image is not as uniform as the next. DSE or Dirty Screen Effect is just a result of poor screen uniformity. You notice it more by viewing sport or content where there is a solid background colour. You can test your TV for uniformity by viewing slides of grey, black and colours although if you do not know what you are looking for you are best not searching for it, just instead watch the content you watch and see if you enjoy the TV.

They will be returning the TV btw, not just the panel.

How can i check for these things when I don't know what they look like?

You will notice them automatically if its poor when watching sport with a uniform background (green pitch white ice rink etc) no TV is perfect and you may notice as the camera pans you can see parts of the image look darker than others, its normal.

Also, just got a 43nu7400 and got a va panel. Just had sky setup but it isn't detecting the tv as 4k? When it shows as a 4k tv on the specs... Any ideas?

You need to check the TV HDMI settings is set to "enhanced" or whatever Samsung call it. If that doesn't help you need to make sure you try another HDMI cable.

Refer to the manual in case your specific model has limited HDMI ports that support UHD, some TVs only have 1 or 2 UHD compatible ports.

 

[Lambert91]

If you read the review here: Samsung Q9FN (QE65Q9FN) Review you can see out of the box settings are already accurate so just as long as you disable the obvious settings and use the movie preset, you'll be fine.

Which are the obvious settings to disable? I have seen many places say that movie mode is best for samsungs. I have tried it on both the q9fn and my 43 nu7400, it looks one of the worst modes? Should it look so overly brown? On a football game the pitch looked browny green (and that isnt what the pitch looks like).

 

[Analysis]

43nu7400 and got a va panel.

How have you confirmed that it's got a VA panel?

The only real way of knowing is in the service menu, looking at the back of the serial number for Version 0, 1, 2 isn't 100% accurate as we have found out on here for various models.

As for calibration, Q9FN comes pretty accurate out of the box as Dodge has said, but it depends on the type of light and total environment you have, if you live in a sunny place say for e .g Spain then the movie preset is best as it matches the type of light coming in, if you live in the north like I do and still have snow on the ground, the ambient light is bright white so neutral is the way to go, then in the summer I change it.

Personally I'd get it ISF calibrated for it to really shine for all types of content.

 

[Dodgexander]

Which are the obvious settings to disable? I have seen many places say that movie mode is best for samsungs. I have tried it on both the q9fn and my 43 nu7400, it looks one of the worst modes? Should it look so overly brown? On a football game the pitch looked browny green (and that isnt what the pitch looks like).

The usual culprits like noise reduction and sharpness.

Picture Perfect TV setup guide