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Which 32" Loewe? Seeking guidance and clarification.

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  1. imranthebinman

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    After having browsed and browsed and browsed for the best part of 6 months, I have finally decided to up my budget for buying a new 32" TV from £850 to £1400.

    Now the fun begins. I know I want a Loewe after reading the amazingly positive reviews on this and other sites, but am now confused as hell as to which model to go for.

    There seems to be not only a choice of model (Aconda, Aventos, Xelos etc), but then there are issues with the chassis (2400/2500), model code (Aconda 9281/9381) and tuber (Toshiba or Phillips) and now I'm totally lost.

    All I'm looking for is a silver Loewe 32" TV with NICAM as I have an external DD5.1/DTS/PLII amp + speaker setup.

    So my questions are thus:

    1.Which is the best to go for and what are the relavtive mertis of choosing one model over the other (excluding things such as personal preference in terms of styling)?

    and

    2. What is the difference between the 2400 chassis and the 2500 chassis, and should this be factor in determining which set I go for?

    and

    3. Should I be looking for a Phillips tube over a Toshiba one?

    If you have a Loewe, I would be extremely grateful if you could post reasons that you chose your particular model, and why you didn't fancy the others.

    Thanks to all who take the time to read and reply, if any more information is needed, please let me know.

    -Steve
     
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    Good choice of TV, have a Loewe Aconda 9381 myself with a 2400 chassis.

    As far as I am aware Acondas come with a higher end chassis of either 2400/2500. 2500 over 2400 means things like being able to control lights etc. and being able to take PAL prgoressive throught the optional VGA input. 2500 also has newer (nicer) menu system ala Articos.

    Of note they are supposedly about to release new Acondas with built in HD recorders for the same price so it might be worth waiting.

    Ideally you want a Philips tube, but I believe this was only an issue if you buy the Living range of Acondas (i.e. 9281) but not an issue of you get the 9381 (i.e. BMW gloss paintwork)

    Hope this helps!
     
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    When I bought my Aconda there was a shortage of the better Philips tube. The only way of being sure to get the Philips was by buying the 9381.

    I also heard the BMW paint story. Loewe themselves claim it's their own paint and nothing to do with BMW. But Loewe don't make paint do they ;)

    Re the built in HD. Even if you don't want this, the previous model is bound to be cleared through and there might be a bargain or two. Mind, only if you can be sure that your's is not the showroom model re-boxed.

    When I was buying mine I had the money ready and asked this specific question. I was told it was a demo rebox, and wouldn't have known had I not asked. A well known specialist outlet it was too. In the end I got mine from a dept store, price matched and with a 5 year G.
     
  4. imranthebinman

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    Thanks guys.

    So now I'm thinking Aconda over the other Loewe models (not sure why, they just seem like a more popular model).

    Now the next (rather obvious) question: How, if I order through the internet (e.g. Electrical Disccount UK) can I be sure that I get a 2500 chassis with a Phillips tube? (Even though I'm not really that fussed about the tube, when you're paying so much for one item, you like it to be the best).

    Or are all 9381 Acondas built with a 2500 chassis?

    The PAL progressive would be fantastic, as I also have a chipped Xbox which would be able to utilise this. In fact, progressive is a must. Would HOF/JL pricematch EDUK? so I can choose my actual set rather than have a random one shipped to me?

    The built in HD recorder also sounds amazing...and for the same price?! How can they do that? (Not that I'm complaining!)

    (Oh yeah, what's this about BMW paintwork?)

    Thanks for the replies this is mkaing things much easier!

    -Steve.
     
  5. Garrett

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    The reason I went for the Loewe was I found the picture was more vibrant over the other the other makes that were available.
    The Aconda was available in black (although I had made my mind up on the picture quality). It also has a plethora of handy features I use such as PIP and freeze frame.
     
  6. imranthebinman

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    Cheers Garrett,

    Have just been to look at an Aconda in Comet. Impressed with the overall style and design, but, as is always the case, a monkey could have set it up better. Taking my Xbox there next week to test it out.

    It was a 9281, and whilst rooting around at the rear of the set, I noticed it didn't have component-in at the back. Is this just because it's a 9281? Or does the 9381 not have component-in either? This could be a major stumbling block if the 9381 doesn't have it either.

    Can anyone answer my earlier questions regarding model number and chassis, and pricematching? Do we know anything else about the alleged built in HD recorder? (Oh, and the paintwork query, but that's not important!)

    Thanks to all,

    -Steve
     
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    I wasn't aware Comet were a Loewe dealer..?
     
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    I know I think it is about time I changed mine now.:laugh:
     
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    I have just been to there web site and I see they (only) have the Aventos there for £1299.95 which I think has side composite sockets.
     
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    Comet in Ipswich had a Loewe TV alongisde the standard manufacturers (Toshiba, Sony etc), and had a stand dedicated to the Aconda and Vitros 32" models, with two 28"ers set up alongside them. The 9218 was going for about £1700, but have seen the 9318 online for £1450.

    Maybe they haven't updated their web sire for a while? This was also a pretty big Comet. Maybe the smaller stores don't stock Loewe TVs.

    Can someone please clear up my earlier questions? (Especially the paint one - it's really starting to bug me!)

    -Steve.
     
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    Think empire direct are currently doing good deal on the black Aconda 9381 ~£1500.

    In answer to your previous q's it would be difficult to specify a Q2500 with philips tube over the internet and most price matches require there to be an actual shop to match rather than a website.

    I believe the philips vs tosh tubes were only an issue with the 9281 and I couldn't tell you how to differentiate between the 2, think it was in a previous thread a long while back.

    Q2500 chassis are just newer with the upgraded features I said before, so it depends when your TV was made, most stores I"ve seen still have the Q2400.

    Just a rumour I'd heard that Loewe use BMW paint on the 9381 (it's lovely) but haven't seen my shade of silver on any BMW!!! Matches the Pioneer gear beautifully.

    Loewe TV's can take a component input (not progressive) via the scart socket, requires a special cable e.g. QED AV29.

    Hope that helps.
     
  12. kwangomango

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    Totally agree. In my opinion Loewe sets offer the nicest overall picture of any manufacturers at the moment.

    imranthebinman,

    Loewe sets do component through the third scart socket and not via the more common 3 phono sockets. You would need a specially wired phono to scart cable or an adapter like i use --> http://www.keene.co.uk/pages/cat/thumbnails/KA150.GIF

    Personally i wouldn't buy an Aconda at the moment as it is to be upgraded with a brand new chasis, high definition tube and a hard disk recorder. Will be the same price as the current model and available anytime now
    -->http://www.loewe.de/cda/ir/article2/0,2571,ge-en-fl8-387-39478,00.html

    -->http://www.loewe.de/cda/frameset/0,2206,ge-en-fl11-0,00.html

    If i was in the market for a new Loewe i would most certainly be waiting for the this one.

    With the current flatscreen bunch, if you remove styling from the equation, there isn't really anything which should make you choose one over another. Apparently the Articos has a better pic than the rest of the range due to a special anti glare filter. It was the only set i didn't demo so can't comment on that. It is also the most expensive. Bloody nice looking though. John Archer from What Video & TV owns one.

    Picture wise the rest of the flatscreen sets are identical bar a couple of extra processing modes that the Aconda and Vitros have. You probabaly won't use these modes so it is not an issue.

    The cheapest Loewe prices i found on the internet when purchasing my Mimo were from -->http://www.tvandvideodirect.com
    I spoke to them a few times on the phone and they were very helpful. The best option though is to get John Lewis or House of Fraser to price match them. That way you get a great price, but get to deal with a shop and get a 5 year warranty thrown in.

    Good luck.
     
  13. imranthebinman

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    Massive thanks to shyewei and kwangomango (and indeed everyone who has posted on this thread). Your posts have not only saved me time, but also money, whilst also being thoroughly informative.

    Looks like I'll definitely be waiting for the new models...if the prices stay the same (which, according to most people, will be the case!).

    If anyone had anything else to add, I'll be extremely grateful - the more I can learn, the better.

    Thanks again,

    -Steve.

    P.S. I want one of new Acondas now!! They look so cool! Nobody has any exact information on release and/or price do they? Thanks again!
     
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    Steve,
    I am also in the same situation as you and am looking at the 93281 Aconda.

    I have spoken to Loewe this afternoon and they inform me that the new Aconda will not be an upgraded model but a new version of the Aconda, with the current model running alongside it.

    The price was said to be higher than the current Aconda and should be released towards the end of the year/early next year?

    If you were to buy the Loewe where would you buy it from as I am a little concerned at buying from the net?

    Mark.
     
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    Hi Mark.

    What you've said clears a lot of things up then. I think I might just go out and get one of the current 9381 models next week, and I just couldn't believe that the new range of Acondas would cost the same as the current models.

    As I really, really can't up my budget and (after a careful two hours thought) have decided that I'm not that fussed about HD recorders etc (although one would be so cool!) either.

    I think I'll give Loewe a ring tomorrow as well, just to clarify in my own head exactly what's going on with the new models.

    If I was to get one tomorrow (which is now, thankfully, a realistic option), I would probably do what kwangomango suggested a few posts ago - get John Lewis or House of Fraser (nearest ones are in Bluewater for me) to pricematch the price on www.tvandvideodirect.com here (Loewe, Aconda 9381ZW Stratos Metallic) and that way I can choose the set I want, and can deal with "real" people and get a free 5 year warranty.

    Hope this helps Mark,

    -Steve.

    EDIT: Just a quick question to everyone on price-matching - Will JL in Bluewater/Lakeside (sorry - can't remember exactly which one it's in!) match tvandvideodirect even though they're based in Bolton? Or does it have to be a 'local' store?

    Cheers,

    -Steve.
     
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    I've been trying to find out about dates for the upgraded Articos. Nobody at Loewe seems able to tell me when it might be launched, what the spec is and whether it will cost any more. I'm keen to place my order for the Articos however I'm holding off due to uncertainty. I want a set in the next couple of weeks and if I can't get an answer from Loewe I'm going to consider looking elsewhere, which would be a shame
     
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    A shame indeed. I'm exactly the same though - I want a new set asap - and it'll have to be next week.

    I'm a teacher and will be on half term, the only time in the near future that I can have time off work to either pick up or stay at home for delivery, it's not possible for me to take a day off work.

    I'll speak to them tomorrow and see if I can get a clear answer. Willl post what I answers I get.

    -Steve.
     
  18. kwangomango

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    JL at Bluewater pricematched tvandvideo in Bolton for my Mimo. They will ONLY pricematch however if it is exactly the same as the model they stock. By exact i mean in colour also. JL only stocked the cream Mimo and so would not pricematch on the black and silver ones as they are special order. Your second problem is that i have heard that JL are stocking fewer Loewe models as more people are going for plasmas. Also check out House of Fraser at Bluewater.

    With regards to the Aconda:

    See here
    http://www.whatvideotv.com/news/fra...atvideotv.com/cgi-bin/displaynews.php?id=4696

    here
    http://www.loewe.de/cda/ir/article2/0,2571,ge-en-fl8-387-39659,00.html

    and here
    http://www.loewe.de/cda/ir/article2/0,2571,ge-en-fl8-387-39478,00.html

    and make your own mind up. They are using the same model numbers for the HD sets so either they are replacing them or it is gonna get very confusing.
     
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    I have to say I'm in two minds about this.

    One minute I really want an HDR and will (begrudgingly!) wait until they release the new Acondas, whilst on the other hand I really want a TV now and am sceptical that some of the cheaper internet prices (e.g. tvandvideodirect) will remain unchanged. I'm thinking that maybe the high street prices will stay as they are, but it may be that some internet traders put up their prices? I guess it all depends on Loewe.

    I think, for now, I'll hold off. But you wait. In a few posts time, I'll be back saying I'm going to buy one now.

    God this is a bitch.

    Cheers again for all help, especially to kwangomango.

    -Steve.
     
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    Sorry if i have created an indecision!
    It is just that the Aconda is 4-5 hundred quid more expensive than the Aventos. Granted, the expense shows in the build quality and it looks a lot nicer, but feature wise they are very similar. If you defo want an Aconda, the last thing you need is in a months time to find out that you could have got a new tube and a harddisk recorder for the same price. Maybe it will be more expensive and you shouldn't wait but until Loewe release prices no one knows.
     
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    Just a quick word regards JL and pricematching tvandvideo. I've tried a couple of stores asking them to pricematch but they'll only pricematch tvandvideo's shop price & not their internet price. Some have been lucky, guess it depends on which store & who's dealing with you??
     
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    Maybe the prices have changed but when i phoned the shop in Bolton directly, they quoted the same price as was on the website.
     
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    I went into JL towards the end of last year and they pricematched but tried again a month or so ago and they wouldn't at either store. Maybe tvandvideo's prices have changed.
     
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    Words of wisdom indeed from kwangomango.

    Gentlemen, I thank you all for you time. I am keen to keep this thread going though, so please, keep posting.

    Thanks again,

    -Steve.
     
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    I too am looking at Lowew TVs - mainly as my wife likes the looks (and they seem pretty good TVs too). We are debating between the Aconda and the Mimo, and the debate is primarily based on appearance.

    We were leaning towards the Mimo, but have one problem. We like the Mimo with the stand (stand 1 I think, the one with the door and matching red "button). But the issue we have is where to put the centre speaker from our surround sound system! With a TV on a "standard" rack with some open shelves we can put the speaker on a shelf under the TV.

    It would fit in the Mimo rack (if we removed one of the shelves), but then we would have to open the door to listen to the surround sound, which my wife doesn't like.

    I did suggest we put the Mimo on a "standard" (not Loewe) rack with shelves that can support our centre speaker, but again my wife thinks the Mimo "wouldn't go" with an ordinary rack.

    We've also thought about the "pole" design rack (rack 2), but then no place to put the video etc. and the speaker might look funny sitting on the base of the pole..

    This probably all sounds a bit silly, but I see there are some Mimo owners out there - anyone using it with a 5.1 surround system, and if so what do you do with the centre speaker?


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    Yup, i've got a Mimo on the Rack 1 stand and it does look fabulous. Inside the stand i keep all my ugly and noisy console stuff - playing the Gamecube with the door shut via a Wavebird still makes me smile!. All my AV lives on a dedicated Sound Organisation rack next to the Mimo. As i am using an Elac Cinema 1 sub/sat system, the centre speaker happily sits on top of the set or on the floor in front of the rack. It all looks very good and my missus is very happy with it all.
    Rack 1 is very expensive for what it is, but Mimo really does look its best when using it. Another option is maybe something in white/cream from Ikea. This maybe?
    http://www.ikea.co.uk/PIAimages/16528_PE100783_S4.jpg
     
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    Thanks.. I do have a cabinet next to the TV where I can store my AV kit as well, so it is really the centre speaker I'm worried about (I want to have this under the TV rather than next to it obviously!). If put stuff in the Mimo rack that we don't have to use all the time, then placing the centre speaker on the floor in front of the rack might just work.

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    Hi

    Spoke to Loewe about the Hard Disk upgrade for the Articos. They claimed that they still had no date for the HD upgrade and seemed certain that there would be no change in tube. Anyone else have any other info on this?
     
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    And what about the Vitros 6381ZW? I can't find the differences, and the price is the same!
     

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