Which 24" Monitor ?! Totally confused !

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  1. RecordablDVDfan

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    I'm looking for one of the glossy type ones like the mew laptops...

    What is the difference between the TN and the other type of panel ?

    The Dell seems to be popular but has it's problems, same with the Samsung so which should I go for ?

    This seems a good one - or not ?!

    http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?HYD-W240#

    Please advise thanks !
     
  2. Paul D

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    I was struggling to get up to speed with a new monitor myself!
    I will try to explain what two days of searching have dug up. (so give me a little slack if i'm way off! :D)

    My Acer AL2032W started playing up a couple of days a go. (back light cutting out)

    I've not been following recent trends in TFT, so i have had to do massive read ups.

    The first thing i have found is 20" widescreen isn't very big these days!
    Second is that quality has taken a back seat to response times.
    Gamers are driving the market, where sub 8ms is the goal.

    You would imagine that in the three years my screen has been out, that true specs would have shot up.
    Well i was in for a shock...:rolleyes:

    I imagined that ANY new monitor would trounce my current display, so all i needed to do was choose the size i needed and all would be well.

    Well that didn't happen!

    Trawling the net left me bewildered at the faults with every monitor on the market.
    Type in ANY monitor and you will find some forum with many members screaming about this and that.
    It's enough to put you off buying!

    Luckily, i know about web induced hysteria, where the sky is falling :D

    There seems to be three(ok four) main types of LCD.

    TN (+Film)
    (S)-PVA and (?)-MVA (very similar)
    S-IPS

    I've listed them in perceived order of quality.

    TN(+ Film) have faster response times at the expense of viewing angles, and are cheap.

    (S)-PVA and (?)-MVA better viewing angle with a slightly reduced response time, and are mid to high priced.

    S-IPS gives the best viewing angle, but average response times.

    Contrast hasn't raised much from my 600/800-1 Acer.
    1000-1 native seems to limit, with higher figures achieved with dynamic backlight modulation.
    2008 models will be reaching about 1300-1 native.

    Response time have fallen from the Acers 16/8ms, with 2ms being quoted.
    However, as mentioned these monitors are using TN panels to achieve this.(limited viewing cone)

    Viewing cones/angles haven't progressed at all.
    The Acers 178/178 (S-IPS panel etc) hasn't been surpassed, with most panels actually going backwards.(TN strikes again!)

    It's not all bad news, and it looks like quality is back on the agenda.

    I managed to shorten my list to two 24 inchers.
    The Dell E248WFP and the Dell 2407-HC.
    The E248WFP based on price versus screen size, and the 2407-HC on pure quality and only one known bug.

    The Dell 2407-HC has a problem with transitions from light(white) to darker tones.
    The overdrive function (to speed up response times), creates a situation where white to a lower tone (white mouse pointer over a darker colour etc) leaves a dark black patch for a split second.
    The pixel try to change from white to the lower tone, and over shoots to black.
    It soon recovers, but leaves a black "ghost image" behind.
    I soon found that a lot of people wouldn't even have noticed it if it was for the tinterweb.
    I have seen this before on older monitors (and a lot of current monitors suffer to a lesser degree), and it doesn't bother me.
    However, hardcore gamers may find it bothersome so it is not ideal.
    Apart from this bug, i didn't find anything else wrong.
    I would say it is the one to go for if the finances allow.

    The Dell E248WFP is the cheaper brother to the 2407-HC, and is a lot of monitor for the money.
    I bought one yesterday, and sent it back.
    I made a mistake in thinking 160/160 degrees must have been better than my old Acer.
    I just assumed the Acer would have been the same, or even much lower.
    It is only tonight i found out the Acer is a S-IPS panel with 178/178 degrees viewing angle!
    The E248WFP is a very good monitor, with a massive 1920x1200 resolution.
    Everything seemed perfect until i started looking around the large screen.
    The colour and contrast would shift with even the smallest head movement.
    Sitting further back helped greatly, but wasn't practical due to the need to reach my keyboard!
    Photo or video retouching would be difficult etc.
    Normal web browsing or general PC use would be a delight due to the large resolution though.
    I could have lived with it if i had too etc.

    I guess S-PVA or S-IPS screens will be my only option to be happy.
    I am obviously used to the larger viewing cone and i am not willing to go back.
    I'm not a big gamer, so this isn't a problem and 6-8ms isn't to bad anyway.

    Dell have just announced their new 2408WFP, which seems to feature a S-IPS panel and many new features.
    It should ship early march and won't be much more expensive than the 2407-HC.

    Ps
    I've just found that my broken Acer is still covered by its three year warranty :thumbsup:
    That means i can get a swap out next week, and carry on using it until the 2408 ships.
    I just might wait for a few "user" reviews to come out first though! :devil:
     
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    i suggest that you take a look at the gateway 24 in monitor. it uses an S-PVA panel and a good value for money. have it for almost 5 months now. no problems at all. and it do 1:1 pixel mapping.:thumbsup::thumbsup:

    http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.200-2436.aspx


    andrew
     
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    Thanka for info, hmm how many inputs ? The Hyundai one has an HDMI one as well DVI and VGA but don't think it has the glossy finish, does the gateway one ? Only 2ms response time also...
     
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    Thanks for all the blurp Paul_D. The new Dell I might just wait for. What I would like is a monitor with 3 DVI inputs plus an HDMI input also, asking for too much probably :eek:
     
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    The 2408 may not have three DVI slots, but can be used with three PCs.
    It has two DVI and one DisplayPort connectors.

    DisplayPort is compatible with HDMI and DVI signals.
    You jusy need to buy the right adaptor.
    I'm not sure if it is only one way compatible though.
    Ie DisplayPort "out" can be converted to VGA/DVI/HDMI depending on the "displays" connector.
    I would have to do some research to find if the convertors work on the "input" side of DisplayPort. (ie DisplayPort in the display)

    Failing that, you could always change one of the PC video cards to a DisplayPort one.
    I fancy upgrading my card anyway, so i can take advantage of the 1920x1200 resolution in games etc.

    That Gateway monitor looks great for the money.
    The reviews seem positive, with only some banding issues showing up.
    I'm not sure if it has a three year warranty like the Dells.
    (PCBuyit also offers a 4 year warranty with free pixel guarantee)

    You spend a lot of time staring at your monitor, so you have to get it right! :)
     

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