where social policy works very well

The best we can hope for is job sharing with no one expected to work more than 20 hpw .I think most people would accept that provided they were paid enough but that means a massive boost in the hourly rate .I think people will have to no longer look at supply and demand as measure of their worth, rather that the state, through redistribution, will determine how much people should receive for the work they do

Go crawl back under your USSR flag covered rock.
 
Honestly LGS you want people to be enslaved by that state, as if the state is some all knowing God entity which can decide the best and optimum/perfect solution to every problem.

The state under its current remit fails often, to give them absolute power is just crackers, like lonely asylum nuts.

If you miss your nanny from childhood so much, book yourself into an old peoples home.
 
Honestly LGS you want people to be enslaved by that state, as if the state is some all knowing God entity which can decide the best and optimum/perfect solution to every problem.

The state under its current remit fails often, to give them absolute power is just crackers, like lonely asylum nuts.

If you miss your nanny from childhood so much, book yourself into an old peoples home.

I dont see it as enslavement at all for the state is both our master and our servant, we just need to realise our relationship with it and that it is on the whole a force for good not bad
 
I dont see it as enslavement at all for the state is both our master and our servant, we just need to realise our relationship with it and that it is on the whole a force for good not bad

Nope I'd rather be my own master and the state is my servant, the servant of all people, but not with power over anyone, merely enforcement of rules and laws decided by and in the benefit of all men.

People should have freedom of the and from the state in all matters that don't involve arbitration with other individuals or entities.

Any state that exists for its own purpose is by definition corrupt and not fit for purpose, we've already seen every example of this in history fail, I want no part of it.
 
Any state that exists for its own purpose is by definition corrupt and not fit for purpose, we've already seen every example of this in history fail, I want no part of it.

Isn't this what's happening to the EU right now? :)
 
It looks that way to me, the democratic deficit is huge and growing, but it is an opinion as they don't have full control, yet.

They do have the power to dictate/amend/rubber stamp the budget of every country in the EU except for Britain, I'd say that pretty controlling and entirely for the existence and furthering of the EU, less so for the so called sovereign states with their elected parliamentarians.

But the EU has plenty of threads already, and even sneaked into the 400ppm CO2 thread!
 
A) you must live in some kind of cloud cuckoo land if you think full employment will ever be possible .Never has been in the past even in the halcyon days of the 60's and 70's ,so there is no reason to suppose it will in the future as more and more jobs are done by machines. The best we can hope for is job sharing with no one expected to work more than 20 hpw .I think most people would accept that provided they were paid enough but that means a massive boost in the hourly rate .I think people will have to no longer look at supply and demand as measure of their worth, rather that the state, through redistribution, will determine how much people should receive for the work they do and we would have a much more egalitarian society with all the social benefits that brings.
Writers, artists, footballers, restaurants, hand made goods, health only represent a tiny minority of working people

Top be honest i think you are entrapped by your own ideology and like all idealists fail to see the gap that exists between the ideology and reality.Very few people would even begin to accept your vision of the world .By and ;large they would be people like yourself or those on fat incomes or running successful businesses the kind who already use private health care are insured to the hilt and send their children to private schools( a mere 7%).The rest of us rely on the good old state and whilst we accept the services it provides could be better there is no way we would ever want to rely on the private sector, being as it is so driven by the profit motive.Insurance policies replete with exclusions? Nah they can swivel on that
B) there would also be far less money fir the state to spend on what people need - social housing , health care, welfare pensions etc etc.
c)It will only collapse if we dont invest enough in it .Privitiisng it is not going to provide the universal care we all want

d) as I said it is up to each and every employer to ensure that proper safety guidelines are followed and that proper safety equipment is provided and the any machinery is properly maintained and safe to use, otherwoise what will happen is that employers will cut corners to save money not observe proper procedures and we shall see a massive increase in accidents.It wasnt too long ago that builders worked without helmets carrie far too heavy bags of sand and cement didn't use scaffolding enough the end result being a the highest number of accidents of any industry.

E)As i said I think there has been far too austerity much already we have been fed a massive lie IMO.One look at Scandinavian countries and one cam see that such measure are just not necessary

read what I wrote carefully instead of jumping in with both feet. I said that full employment is not desirable and should never be the aim. In a socialist system it is. A socialist system can have markets and capitalism just as a free market liberal system but through state control. The socialist system can easily create full employment. In Russia the state did determine pricing, which is why it completely collapsed. The market is the only way of determining value through customer demand. This is your ideology-The USSR.
 

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