Where eagle dare aspect ratio???

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  1. maggi

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    Just recived my Region 2 copy of this great film.
    I have just taken a quick look, and it looks great.:)
    I have one question
    What is the original aspect ratio of this film?
    On the back it is said to be 2.40:1 and it looks that on the screen.
    I have always thought it was 2.35:1 and it says so on IMDB,
    but then again that site is full of errors anyway.
    So i ask you guys here:D

    Cheers
    Maggi
     
  2. Garrett

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    I wouldn’t bother too much what it says on the box as long as it is right. They have got 4:3 on the back of The Vikings and that is 2.35:1.
    Back to yours I’m sure that .05 would not make that much difference on a TV.
     
  3. cosaw

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    I have heard that some films filmed at 2.35:1 (I'm not sure if all) are matted to 2.4:1, and that the matte is just at the bottom half of the frame. It's done to mask a some problem with scene changes where the bottom of the film suddenly becomes bright. I know this sounds vague, but it's vague in my mind. I remember seeing it on a documentary they used an example, it might have been dances with wolves but I think it was The postman. I think alot of bond films have it done. Minority report says 2.4:1 on the back of the region 2.

    Glad to here the Vikings is 2.35:1, I read on one box 1.66:1. IMDB does have controversial data on aspect ratios. I've seen so many 1.85:1 quotes for The English Patient but have definitely seen the opening credits in 2.35:1 before zooming to 4:3.

    cosaw
     
  4. GrahamC

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    Hi, Maggi

    Could you tell me where you got this title from as I can't find it at my usual haunts.

    Thanks G.
     
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    I thought the English Patient was 1.85:1 u sure its a scope film ?
     
  6. cosaw

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    Pretty sure: I'll refer you to a thread I started without reply. There are a few links with contrary details but you would have thought the link with screen shots was accurate. Afterall why would you crop a 1.85:1 screen shot down to approx 2.35:1, it doesn't make sense.

    http://www.avforums.com/frame.html?http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91866

    I'm positive I've seen the opening credits/scenes in 2.35:1 on a 4:3 broadcast on BBC2 before zooming in to full frame.

    The mere suggestion that a 16:9 pan & scan has been done (even if the film was 1.85:1) points to the fact that there are versions with incomplete aspect ratios. (I refer to IMDB links on other thread)

    I ask again, can anyone solve this one?

    cosaw
     
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    surely you mean reg1 ?

    I just got this and it looks great.
     
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    I got it from DVD Soon. About £8. Be careful taking the three sticky labels off, since the case is a snapper. You can easily tear the paper.

    Pretty sure the film is in 2:35 on my TV- borders about 1.5" on top/bottom (42" screen)
     
  9. cosaw

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    chard

    If you are refering to my post:

    I can't check again it was borrowed off a friend but it was region 2. It seems you are suggesting there'd be a difference for some reason but I'm not sure why? Can you explain further?

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  10. cosaw

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    Nathan

    You say "about" 1.5" borders. That would be closer to 1.85:1 on a 16:9 screen as long as it has been framed correctly by the telly/plasma.

    Did some rough trionometry, with a 42" screen you'd need about a 2.45" border top and bottom for 2.35:1. And about a 0.35" border top and bottom for 1.85:1. (correct as long as 42" is the exact visible area)

    Yours sounds closer to 1.85:1 then.

    Oh well the search continues.

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    No- because a 1:85 Anamorphic will fill the screen.

    The borders in WED are the same size as in LOTR, First Contact etc.
     
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    1:85:1 framing will result in very small bars on a correctly set up display.1:7777(1:78:1) will not have bars,as it is obviously 16:9 exactly.This is why you often see WB releases state the film has been matted,from 1:85:1 to 1:78:1,because they assume sad people cannot cope with the tiny bars of the OAR.
     
  13. cosaw

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    I second that Napoleon. These display devices do not alway frame the films correctly. I have a Sony KD-32DX40 widescreen telly. 1.85:1 come out full screen and 2.35:1 come out looking like 1.85:1 in wide mode. I know that I'm not viewing the whole film as the ends are still being cut off. It's a more expensive telly with panoramic mode or something which allows you to see the whole film and the correct aspect ratio. I was really miffed after buying the telly but figure that when I get my HTPC and rig it to the telly I'll be able to preformat the picture so that wide mode on the telly gives me full aspect ratio.

    For anyone with doubts compare what you get on your telly/plasma to what you get on a pc with something like power dvd, make sure to tick the keep aspect ratio box and then view it in a window. You will then see a 16:9 frame with the full black bars as is on the dvd itself.

    I think it's common for tvs to do this because there are so many 1.85:1 films and the difference between 16:9 and 1.85:1 is so small (as Napoleon pointed out) they just zoom to fullscreen in "wide". They can't do this fully to 2.35:1 as they'd loose too much picture. But they still do it by around the same factor.

    Very anoying!

    cosaw
     
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    Could any one confirm if there is a region 2 release of 'Where Eagles Dare' as I can only find the region 1 release.
     
  15. maggi

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    Yes there is region 2 release
     

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    maggi can you please tell me where you got the R2 release.
     
  17. maggi

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    got it here in Iceland
     
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    I believe the UK disc is due in October/November (something like that) when the next batch of the Clint Eastwood Collection is released. I read it on www.dvdreviewer.co.uk a week or so ago.

    Personally I'll wait til it hits the £6 bargain bins. It'll only be a couple of months at the most
     
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    The version i have is an region 2/5 product.
    It´s got English 5.1 DD and German and Spanish 2.0 DD Sound,
    and subtitles from every country in Europe.
    Just kiddin´:D
    Well 19 subs.
    PQ is great,the best i´ve seen this film look,sound is very front heavy but now and again it goes in the rears.
    The score benefits from the remix.
    Also great to have a Original featurette clocking in at 12 min.
    Like i said in my first post on this thread the Aspect Ratio looks like 2.40:1.

    Cheers
    Maggi
     
  20. Mr.D

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    2.35:1 is a shooting aspect ratio.
    The films themselves are released as 2.40:1.

    Why?

    So there is sufficient safe room at the top and bottom of the frame to safely place splices.

    The two terms are interchangeable although I usually refer to them as 2.35 as does everyone else in the industry from my experience.


    I am pretty sure I saw the English patient in 1.85 at thje cinema.
     
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    You should still have small borders on a 1.85/1 film displayed correctly (makes no difference if it's anamorphic or not) as a 16:9 screen is 1.78/1.
    From the narrow black bars you say you have on 'scope films you must have massive amounts of overscan.
     
  22. cosaw

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    Ok Keith, you knows your stuff. I remember now the talk of splices. As regards The English patient this seems to be the concensus. I supose I'll have to resign my self to that potential aspect ratio fact until it's proved otherwise.

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