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When does the UK get HD (broadcast & DVD)?

Discussion in 'Televisions' started by dan_aka_jack, Jan 15, 2004.

  1. dan_aka_jack

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    Hi,

    I know this topic has popped up in some of the other forums but I would like to dedicate this entire thread to what is - to me - the most important question about HD for a UK resident:

    When the hell can we expect high def (broadcast & recorded) in the UK?

    Some people suggest the BBC might start transmitting HD in 2010 when analogue is switched off (if the switch-off happens on time). But the crazy thing is that the beeb are already shooting stuff in HD. And it would be ****-easy to re-scan 35mm films on high-def. All they need to do is to shut down some of the crap they're currently broadcasting in order to make way for HD. Or switch to a more efficient codec (MPEG4 or WMP9).

    And what about HD DVDs? This year's CES has at least one blu-ray DVD system on show and it looks like blu-ray will be in the hands of the consumer by 2005. Does that mean that we can expect blu-ray, high def DVDs in the UK by 2005?

    And finally - when will the Internet be a suitable medium for transmitting HD? What's to stop some innovative film producer from putting a high def copy of their baby on their own website (for a fee, of course)? Could it even be that the Internet will drive the adoption of HD in the UK?

    All in all, 2010 seems like an obscenely long wait for what is already a mainstream technology in Japan and the US.

    Bring on the theorising, ranting and bitching! Let's discuss!
     
  2. MartinImber

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    Take it up with your MP - insist on analogue frequencies being reused for HD
     
  3. Dutch

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    Dan,

    I fully agree with your views - why broadcast 100 channels of crap which no one watches anyway, when you could have 20 popular channels in HD instead? WM9 would be my choice of codec used for HD broadcasting, being 3 times more efficient than obsolete MPEG2, and with better picture quality too. Regarding HD-DVD, you will shortly be able to buy DVD players that can play HD WM9 encoded discs from Kiss and V Inc. Proper blue laser HD-DVD players probably using WM9, should be available in about a year's time from the likes of Toshiba. See www.wmvhd.com for some sample clips in 720p and 1080p to play on your (quite high-spec) computer. Hope this helps.

    Steve
     
  4. fancyabrew

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    Don't get me started! I recently applied for a position with Ofcom, the new regulator that replaces loads of other regulators, for communications, radio, TV, etc. The position was for an advisor, but (as expected) I didn’t even get an interview I'm not in the freemasons a retired colonel, or general busybody that is on the local council and countless other bodies, etc, but I thought my 8 years of IT/Communications experience plus interest in Radio and TV etc might count for something.

    Anyway you had to apply via a CV and covering letter, HDTV broadcasts was one of the points I put in my letter, along with digital TV/Radio and broadband coverage in rural areas, or should that be lack of all of those! The UK and Europe in general are WAY behind our major competitors in HDTV which is available in Japan, US and Australia. It really annoys me that the BBC is wasting license payers cash on the crap that they’re broadcasting, more and more and more channels, freeview, digital radio, their website, etc AND MOST OF THE STUFF villages such as mine CAN’T receive! grrrrrrrrrrrr
     
  5. Jeff

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    I believe there will be a big push for HDTV for 2010, football is often the driver for these things. The Worldcup in 2006 is too early and the following one is in 2010.
     
  6. dan_aka_jack

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    Hello again,

    I've just watched my first HD video, downloaded from www.wmvhd.com. Some of the movies were cheesy as anything but the quality is stunning.

    I'd like to ask you this question: could HD be the "killer app" for Internet film delivery? What's to stop, say, Pipex from producing a consumer 8Mbit/s ADSL product for distributing HD content over their network? Sure, you'd still have to leave your computer downloading for a day or two but I know I'd be more than happy to do that if it meant I could get HD content without having to wait 6 years to get it.

    Anyway, the days of programmed broadcast TV must be limited: True video-on-demand can't be far away. Perhaps the government should sell the radio & TV broadcast airspace to mobile phone companies, make several billion pounds and inject this money into the creation a nationwide 100Mbit WAN?!

    Thanks,
    Jack
     
  7. RecordablDVDfan

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    Try these HD samples from http://www.dvico.com/hdtv/download.asp
    YOu need the Fusion II demo player to watch them

    Look great on a TFT
     
  8. dave859

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    there is already a sat channel on astra19.2east( where sky used to be) its called euro1080 and is free to view 12168 V,27500 - 3/4 , with a cheap pci card called a skystar2 it can be viewed and on a tft it works well good
     
  9. RecordablDVDfan

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    Yep there's 1 on ebay at the moment for £65 plus £5 postage which inludes the remote control!

    Plus another wihout for £25 at present
     
  10. digitalsafari

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    Hi all,

    I am personally involved with getting UK WM9 HD satellite channel going along the lines of TV1000 (without the latenight content) transmitting to the UK only.

    We won't have first run material due to cost as we have to sub licence the rights from the the other broadacaster and get the HD masters from content owner.

    In addition we will be doing HD WM9 DVDs in the UK.

    Jonathan
     
  11. RecordablDVDfan

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    So it will be encrypted so not viewable with a Skystar 2 or FTA box ?
     
  12. Dutch

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    Hi Jonathan,

    Good luck with your project - HD in Europe certainly needs a boost as we could be in for a long wait if we are hoping national broadcasters will get into HD. Also looking forward to the WM9 DVDs - do you have anymore info on this?

    Steve
     
  13. digitalsafari

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    First off it will be WM9 HD, some content will be DRMed for UK only reception ala T2 extreme edition to keep the costs down, it all depends on the rights.

    I am targeting the service for PC playback (WinXP, Skystar2, 3Ghz P4), this allows future flexibilty as codecs develop. We have no plans to support STBs as this would restrict future development.

    We will always supply HD in it's original format and will not convert US content to 25p/50i as we do not need to provide a compatible SD feed and serve a pure HD audience who can display any HD format.
     
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    Can't talk about what titles we are dicussing until deals are signed.

    I have perfected the production process, which means as soon as the rights are sorted we can turnaround a release in a few weeks.

    Jonathan
     
  15. RecordablDVDfan

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    Sounds good, good luck with the venture. Hopefully other similar HD services will start up in the next few years via Astra amd Hotbird...
     
  16. Dutch

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    Jonathan,

    Will you be broadcasting both 720p and 1080p material?

    Steve

    P.S. Why not any "late night content"? I'm sure Ofcom will be allowing R18 strength stuff to be broadcast fairly soon, now that we have got the ITC out of the way.
     
  17. digitalsafari

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    We will broadcast whatever the original format is be it 720 or 1080.
     
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    Well, please think of us when you are launching, i'd be more than happy to beta test :)
     
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    Yeah, this new HD sat channel sounds really cool. I look foward to it.

    Thanks,
    Jack
     
  20. RecordablDVDfan

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    This sounds very anoraky but is there a chance you could show live the HD stream of the 'Today' breakfast show from down under ?!
     
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    Obvious question, what's the timescales? When can we expect to see the sat channel on air?

    Cheers
    Andy
     
  22. digitalsafari

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    We are negoitating rights, so can't comment on dates and this type of thing is always late!
     
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    There is a media programme on LBC with Matt Wells Sunday's 9pm. THis week it's all about digital tv and swtich off dates etc. No mention of HDTV though :-(

    Does anyone know Matt Wells ?
     
  24. Dutch

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    Jonathan,

    Do you have an update on your proposed HD satellite channel or the WM9 DVDs?

    Steve
     
  25. RecordablDVDfan

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    There is an email address on the LBC site matt@lbc.co.uk. Good idea to email him now (which I have done) and ask about HDTV, he may well ask on air if enough email..

    It's a shame we can't use Band 1 for HDTV, plenty of spectrum down there (50-70mhz approx)
     
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    WMV-HD DVDs are progressing, sat channel is canned due to major players all committed to HD transmission over next 18-24 months in the UK and wanting to keep UK HD rights.

    Jonathan
     
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    Thanks, Jonathan. I shall look forward to the WHV-HD DVDs.

    Steve
     

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