According to HCC in a review of the Philips 980 last year, their next generation machines would have dd5.1 audio recording option implemented. Well, the 880 and 890 have been out for a few months now and guess what - no dd5.1! Looking at the new recorders due to hit the European market, there are none whatsoever that implement this feature. So what is going on? Sky have already introduced a (limited) dd5.1 service and dts broadcasting looks to be possible as well. But what real use is this without a means of recording it? Sure, I could use my pc with tv input (sadly no RGB input and as Sky doesn't support SVideo, composite is my only video option) with an SPDIF audio connection to record the 5.1 data stream and author it back to my Pioneer A04. But this really defeats the purpose somewhat. I for one would not even consider buying a standalone recorder until at least dd5.1, and preferably dts, was included. Sooner or later it will be and I know I could not justify the cost of replacing one if I did. Maybe if more people did the same the manufacturers would get the message.