When a choice becomes just too great for one man alone!!!!507xd VS LC-52xd1e

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  1. crazyspike

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    Hi Ive been a registered lurker here for a long time as I value the wealth of knowledge here and dont normally have enough spare to time to post often.

    I have read hundreds of threads over the last few weeks trying to decide between 2 TV's and I pretty much need to tap your knowledge all in one thread to help me decide, for comparison puproses I spent 3 hours yes 3 hours looking between these TV's in fenwicks newcastle yesterday.

    The fabled TV's are :

    Pioneer 507xd

    and?

    Sharp 52xd1e

    1 is plasma and one is LCD

    1 is 720p one is 1080p

    1 is 50 inch's and one is 52 inchs

    Basically from what ive seen, both of these TV's can be beautiful IF you get good ones.

    What ill be using the TV for:

    It will be used mainly for Upscaled dvd films (for now) and xbox 360, also as I refuse to pay £300 for sky HD box and a subscription too (1 or the other sky 1 or the other) it will be fed standard sky until sky gets a clue

    Im stuck guys and I mean really stuck... ive been pondering both these options for months and Im worried if I choose and make the wrong choice ill regret it :confused:

    Good luck to helping me decide :devil:
     
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    Jesus I was hoping for maybe at least 1 comment today and I get 27 views and not one reply....:eek:
     
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    cmon guys at there must be someone :rolleyes:
     
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    buy both :devil:
     
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    Plasma for watching TV especially sport, LCD for gaming and PC.

    Is £10 per month for Sky HD too much when you are spending £2k on a TV?

    Either of these TVs will be awesome with Sky HD.
     
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    SD will look better on the Pioneer, while Full HD will look superior on the Sharp. Your decision should be based on how much of each you are likely to watch. Not just at present, but over the course of the life of the tv. The mistake a lot of people make when choosing a panel, is to base it on what kind of material they're currently watching. For most, a tv last for at least 5 years. I'm sure within that timespan, most are likely to buy into Blu Ray or HD dvd (both support 1080p res), and many will subscribe to some kind of digital HD service. Also, it's likey, the majority of games released for the 360/ps3 will support full 1080p.

    I own the 42 inch Sharp. It comes into it's own when playing full hd content. As for the Xbox 360, LCD's have always displayed computer GFX better than plasmas.
     
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    Thanks for the replys... got a couple of questions from them though?

    1. tdifr: :D love to but the bank (she) wouldent allow it

    2.Why is LCD better for gaming and pc besides the image retention thing, I thought other than that the Plasma's were better as they dont ghost at all and dont even have to quote a screen refresh rate as its not an issue... I might be wrong and this is the whole reason I started this thread... I need some facts.

    3.We dont have the movies or sport from sky so we get hardly any hd channels from sky unless we subscribe to those too, which kinda makes it an extra £32 a month not £10 then throw in the £300 for the box and the £60 fitting and the measly amount of channels and this is why I currently wont touch sky HD with a 20 foot barge pole ;)

    4. I buy a hell of a lot of DVD's though and this TV will be mostly playing that content upscaled. I intend to get a HD player soon but is there really that much of a difference between the sharp at 1080p vs the pioneer at either 720p or 1080i from the same dvd at about 10 feet.

    5. which TV has the better colours as you cant really tell in stores as they are always set up different to how id set them up.

    To be honest I spoke to my other half last night and had almost convinced myself towards the pioneer as its currently £140 cheaper than I can get the sharp for.. and then I see some posts and they all seem pro LCD which is to be expected as im in the LCD forum...

    I really like the sharp but ive read the entire sharp thread (the huge one) and its put the fear of god into me concerning banding and the component and vga being part of the same port while the pioneer seems not to have as many niggles.

    Help me god!!!! :rotfl:
     
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    Many consider LCD to give a crisper image for gaming. The reason some dislike plasma is not just the risk of image retention but also as i understand it phosphor trails (search the plasma forum for this). Personally, if i were you, i'd probably go for the Pioneer as you seem to watch alot of SD material, particularly with you DVDs. Alot of people feel the colours on plasma are better suited to a filmic experience.

    I'm sure either would be great though:smashin:
     
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    Ive spent the whole afternoon reading every thread that had the term phospher trail in it and have yet to find one instance of this affecting a pioneer user... it is repeatadly stated as a plasma problem yet the only plasma's that seem to have it are the panasonics and only those who have panasonics complain...all the links to vids of the effect on the net relate also to the panasonic... I think ill ask in the 507 forum if any users are affected.

    Thanks for your input I do watch a lot of sd and will be watching mainly DVDs the only thing throwning me is the xbox gaming and eventual HD player purchase in the future..
     
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    Sorry if i sent you on a wild goose chase there. Being more interested in LCD, i only knew that this affected some plasmas. By the sounds of it Pioneers are one of the brands that are OK on that front. I'm afraid i'm probably not much help for this query as i subscribe to the "under 37in - LCD, over 37in - plasma" school of thought so i lean towards the plasma at that size. The best thing for you would be another good demo of both screens. Did you watch both with different sources. i.e watch the Sharp with 1080p and freeview?

    Most people usually have a leaning as to which technology just looks better to them.
     
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    Yeah I guessed from your previous post but it was news worth looking into be sure...

    I saw the Sharp hooked up through 1080p bluray palyer and a normal dvd player which upscaled to 1080I or 720p (we dont know as he could not find the remote for the dvd player )and after spending 30 mins adjusting the settings got it to a picture which was pretty stunning but this was a brightly lit store.

    The pioneer on the other hand was only connected to HD sky and there was no option to change it, also the staff seemed upset that I wanted to turn the sky from sky sports hd to actual HD content which I thought was the whole purpose of having the sky HD hookup... I turned it over anyway and adjusted the colour settings and had it looking excellent, it also seemed pretty good with normal sky. I do feel at a loss that I dident see this TV through a proper HD feed though.

    Also it was hooked up to sky through component rather than Hdmi would this of made any real differenece to anything...
     
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    It shouldn't really make a difference.

    My main concern was that you've seen the Sharp running HD footage (which by all accounts it's amazing at) but not freeview. For me, all i've seen of the Pioneer plasmas is top notch. If you're not much of a gamer and don't plan to hook up your PC to it then i'd say you can't go wrong with the Pioneer.
     
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    Black level will be better on the Sharp, colours will be better (more natural) on the Pioneer.
    The Pioneer will handle motion better, and have much better viewing angles than the Sharp. (sharps are particularly bad for these, in my opinion)
    The Sharp will look much better in the daytime due to being an LCD.
    If you play a lot of games, LCD is probably better than Plasma for you.
    The Pioneer should have better image processing, so SD (DVD/TV) should look better on it.
    Unless you plan on using it as a large monitor, the resolution difference shouldn't really be a deciding factor. (I believe the Pioneers accept a 1080p input anyway?)

    Personally, I'd be leaning towards the Pioneer. I'm currently an LCD owner (Toshiba 37WLT68) but I'm looking to upgrade to something around 50" and I'm planning on picking up a Pioneer plasma, as the selection for LCDs in that size isn't great. (I don't like the Sonys, Samsungs or Sharps, and the Toshibas only go up to 42")
     
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    The exact reasons I went for a 1080p LCD. Knowing that if I bought a lower res panel, everytime I looked at the pics from my HD dvd player, or played a 1080p game, I'd be missing out on seeing them in all the full 1080p glory. And knowing the type of person I am, it would bug the hell out of me.

    Do you want to get the best out of sd tv & your current crop of DVD's. Or do you want to see next gen gaming & HD movies at their finest. The (difficult) choice is yours.
     
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    I watch films mainly but I will be doing some gaming on my 360, and am also interested in hooking the laptop up to it now and again to maybe watch HD content from..

    Your response makes me think hooking my laptop up to the pioneer is not great...

    Are anyone even making Xbox 360 1080p games..as far as I knew they are all still making 720p and you only get upscaled 1080p from the 360 which is supposed to be no better than the 720p or 1080i or hardly noticable quality wise... maybe im wrong but I have not seen no news anywhere that 360 games were going to be released in 1080p
     
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    Crazyspike. There are a few true 1080p games for the 360. Virtua Tennis 3 being one of them. But I'm sure there will be many more in the coming years. One point about the Sharp you might not know. It will only accept a 1080p signal via it's HDMI input's. So as far as the 360 concerned, atm the best you can get is 1080i thru component (unless you plan to buy an Elite, or MS release a HDMI cable for 360)
     
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    I missed that one, so the sharp can only do 1080p through its HDMI.. does that mean a computer also has to be hooked up through HDMI if I wanted to display 1080p.

    I thought it could be done through PC using either VGA or component
     
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    Some displays only accept 1080p via HDMI.
     
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    Yes I know but I was sure the I had seen referenece to the sharp being capable of 1:1 pixel mapping over either VGA or Component for PC
     
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    I'm not 100% but i think the Sharp only accepts 1080p via HDMI.
     
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    No. The higest res through vga is 1366 x 768 and as I said 1080i via component. I use HDMI to connect my computer, and with a little fiddeling with Powerstrip, managed to get 1080p.
     
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    Crazyspike,

    All I can say is that I can vouch for the phosphor trails on plasmas! I have recently just taken a Pioneer plasma PDP-4270 back because of this, so in my opinion Pioneers are just as bad as any other plasma for this..... it's plasma technology, not the brand with regards to this issue.

    I would personally never buy a plasma again after what I saw! Looked great in the store with bright colourful low contrast demo yeah, but not at home! Any film with maybe a dark scene in it (and there are loads!) and any bright object in the same shot and throw in a bit of action (as films tend to have!) and you get horrible green and red flashes! Since discovering this I have noticed this on other plasmas too, so it's not just Pioneer! Seriously, i'd think long and hard before you lay down 2k!!

    The end result of all this is that I swapped the Pioneer plasma for a Sharp LCD 42XD1E and I am blown away! The Sharp is loads better! and trust me when I say i'm picky, i'm on my third tv in as many weeks to try and get the right one! The extra resolution over the Pioneers is not 'slight' I can tell you! The extra res on a screen of that size is most definately worth it! The Sharp has loads more detail, colours are look pretty dammed good too (skin tones etc) beyond that, who knows what is meant to be absolutely correct apart from the film crew!? Black is as good as the plasma I had, infact not only are the blacks as good, there's more detail with it! It's twice the tv the Pioneer plasma was!

    Save your disappointment, buy the Sharp!! I seriously now don't see what the big thing is with a plasma!! I was very very disappointed!! The selling point is that black levels are supposedly better and contrast, better motion handling etc. All I can say is that i've had one and I took it back! Nothing on the Pioneer was as good as on the Sharp LCD. Oh, I tell a lie, the sound was a bit better! But that's not why I'd buy a tv!!

    Also, on one final note, one thing that I have also seen an example of now, is screen burn! The magazines have you believe that it doesn't really happen anymore with the latest ones..... that's BS! I've seen the starts of it happen after only a few hours on a Samsung! Not what I call good value for 2k!! The technology would have to really improve for me to part with my cash for a plasma!

    Go with the Sharp, or any other good LCD for that matter, you'll not look back! I've been there and don't want you making the same mistake I did!

    If you don't believe the phosphor trails exist, take Casino Royale to the store and play the first few minutes and follow the action... you'll see what I mean! Or maybe try MI:III and watch some of the bits in the tunnel when they blow up the car.

    Good luck with your decision either way!

    Arty
     
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    I went and viewed the 507xd pioneer again today and took along casino royale like you said and I could not see what you were describing... I went over the same bit like 6 times and could see nothing... guy at shop wondered what I was doing and uttered something like "you like that bit and then laughed kind of like beavis".

    Would there be a chnace if I buy one that it could have this effect, funnily enough the sharp fraks me out about banding and I couldent see any on the display model at fenwicks on saturday.:confused:
     
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    Well, it's your decision mate to be fair, but all I can say is that I didn't see anything in the shops either, until I got it home and the lights were dimmed, then settled back to watch a film and boom, there it was! and once you've seen it, it drives you mad! Even my wife noticed it! and she really doesn't care two hoots about a tv!

    You may just be lucky and that you don't have sensitive eyes to it, but i'll leave that one up to you! If you couldn't see the green flashes with that bit, then maybe you'll be ok! I'd still go with the higher resolution on a big screen like that though! a year down the road and you'll probably wish you had!

    There's not one bit of banding on my tv by the way! If you're buying it from a well known store you'd be able to take it back if there was anyway as that would be a faulty set!

    I think a lot comes down to what source you have too... if you've a high def source like SKY HD, or a blu ray/hd dvd player, then you'll really appreciate the extra resolution of a 1080 line screen. If you don't and don't intend to, then it won't be as important, but then why get a 50" screen to watch SD channels!? Seems a big waste!

    Good luck with your decision! I just hope you've not already been sold which one you're going to get! :) I was a week or so ago when I decided I wanted a plasma! I thought that they were the best, I went and got a good brand, ignored the advice of a few friends.. what did they know! Pah... got it home, watched a film.... took it back the following day and got an LCD. Not looked back!
     
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    If it was me I would choose 1080P as in the future you'll thank yourself for getting it if you get a PS3 or a Blueray/ HDDVD drive. And at that size screen you'll notice the difference. LCD's are much better with games as well, why not take your 360 along and play the same game like GOW on both panels to see the difference??
    I don't have the room or budget for a 50" so I've just got the Panasonic TX-32LXD70 and it looks great with the 360 at 720P via component, haven't tried VGA yet.

    Couple of vids of GOW on plasmas so you can see how bad they can be:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVw_VvFcV1U
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kyllx3VaI8

    I do know from what I've read that the industry is moving towards LCD more and more so it could be the future?? I would also advise getting 100HZ technology as it makes a big difference, perhaps wait to see what the new Sony LCD's are like??

    And in case you've missed it:
    http://www.tech.co.uk/home-entertai...ma-more-details-and-pics?articleid=1292416552

    I know that if you wait for something new you can be waiting for ever but with so many new screens comming over the next few months, would it not be worth waiting??
     
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    Throwing another card into the deck, have you seen the latest Samsung LExxM86/87s - they have all the advantages of the Sharp, even better blacks, do 1080p over all HD inputs and are cheaper (possibly not the 52" which is about the same at £2050).

    See the popular thread for more info... sorry!
     
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    Hi i am currentley in a similar position i.e looking to purchase a 50in screen for mainly dvd /tv with the odd games and pc stuff , i am also looking to upgrade to sky hd and blue ray via a ps3 ,

    having a 1500 budget i have being torn between , a 1080p panel (lcd) sharp/toshiba etc versus what i consider the best plasma panel 50 pioneer 507 for sub 2k

    having seen both panels hooked up to a HD dvd showing king kong , i have to say the pioneer looked the best all round picture with an almost 3d like picture , i think i am still not convinced with lcd over 32 in and in my opionon most people buy large screen Tv's to watch TV on for the majority of the time , i also belive 1080p really comes into effect with front projectors throwing 7/8 foot images , so until 1080p plasma,s hit sub 2k prices i will take the plunge and invest in what i believe to offer the best image for the price , pioneer plasma for me , me thinks !!!!
     
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    Good luck with the green flashes rjrodders! Don't say I didn't say so! :)
     
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    By the way, what is wrong with LCD over 32"? Is that the magazines talking, or are you watching poor old LCD tv's!?
     
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    Hey Don't get me wrong , i think lcd's have made great advances in picture technology over the past 2 years , i used to own a samsung 32 le74 myself and thought for the price point £600 was a great bit of kit. However over a long period of time the over bright screen and unnatural flesh tones began to niggle,

    I normally watch a movies/sport on a sanyo z2 projector and whilst i am also aware of this particular front screen limatations i.e grey blacks , screendoor etc,

    This may explain my preference for a more cinema orientated presentation


    the large lcd's i have seen including sony bravia's , samsungs , toshiba's the overall image in comparision to the best plasma's seem a bit unnatural , lifeless , unlike the image i am seeing with plasma which seem to have that fine balance of a great filmic image and also looking quite natural.

    Please bear in mind these are just my opinions based on what i have seen so far, at av shows , and some specilist av shops.

    Without wanting to start a what's bettar LCD or Plasma all over again it would be interesting to see a 1080p plasma v 1080p lcd best of breed shoot out on a 50in, now that would be intriuging ?
     

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