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What's the cheapest amp/receiver with I-Link?

Discussion in 'AV Receivers & Amplifiers' started by bradavon78, Jul 4, 2005.

  1. bradavon78

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    That's all.

    I'm happy enough with my 6 phono/RCA cables but figure it's about time I considered something better.

    Can HDMI output 5.1/6.1 audio? Not that it matters as I need that connection for my TV.

    Thanks
     
  2. Crustyloafer

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    Asking for the cheapest anything will very rarely gain you an improvement in sound quality.

    What equipment do you currently have? Why the need for iLink?

    HDMI can output 5.1 audio for both DVD-Video, DVD-Audio and SACD. You will need a player that has HDMI version 1.1 on it, soemthing along the line of the Arcam DV29 or the Marantz DV9500 at £1600 and £1500 repectively would do the job nicely. If money is tight then the Denon DVD-3910 at about £800 is worth considering or the new Yamaha DVD-S2500 at £700 are both good players offering this feature.

    On top of one of these players you will also need an AV amp or processor that has HDMI switching on it. This will allow the amp or processor to get the audio from the HDMI connection then allow the video signal to continue on to your display. Units that offer this feature are the Arcam AVP700 processor at £1500, the new Yamaha RX-V4600 Receiver at about £1500 also and the Denon AVC-A11XV at about £2500.
     
  3. bradavon78

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    Thanks for the detailed reply.

    Some questions please:

    1. Is there any need for I-Link anymore with HDMI out?

    2. Is HDMI better than I-Link for transferring sound?


    True I was just wondering what they can be bought for now?

    I'll answer your second question first. I didn't realise you could get DVD-A/SACD out of HDMI. I knew it was possible but didn't realise they'd enabled it.

    Secondly I've just bought a "Pioneer DV-868AVi-S" which has 1 HDMI (for my Samsung LE32R41B") and 1 I-Link. Hence why I was interested in I-Link. I currently have a "Sony STR-DB940" receiver bought a few years back for £350-400. It's a fantastic machine.

    It lacks:

    1. Dolby Pro-logic 2 - The main reason I'd upgrade in honesty. Stereo sounds (i.e - Not Surround) bland, especially TV Stereo.
    2. DTS ES or Dolby Digital DD5.1 EX - It would be nice but not essential.
    3. HDMI, DVI or I-Link connections

    Otherwise it's an outstanding receiver. I don't actually use the radio but for 5.1 it roars!

    I take it the other version is HDMI 1.0? What version does the "Pioneer DV-868AVi-S" have?

    The absolute maximum I'd spend on a TV, Receiver or DVD Player is £900 each. So those prices are out of the question. As for the other two models you mention I looked at the Denon DVD-3910 at £800 it's roughly £200 cheaper than the Pioneer (which for Pioneer's flagship player it's a great price).

    What does the Denon offer over the Pioneer?

    The Yamaha DVD-S2500 can be bought for a similar price to the Pioneer having just check but I can't find it multi-region and it only has 1 scart. Sure I may not have any use for 2 scarts anymore (I currently do) but lets face it scart is currently the most convenient connection method, more is better!

    So yes I would've considered the Yamaha DVD-S2500 but where can it be bought multi-region?

    Thanks again but to be honest those prices are far more than I'd ever be prepared to spend.

    At the end of the day I'd be upgrading to get Pro-logic 2 and a pure digital signal connection for SACD/DVD-A which considering the lack of software I don't/wouldn't use hugely. So making £1500-2500 even more expensive!

    What about decent receivers/amps with I-Link instead OR cheaper HDMI ones (which I'm guessing you've already given to me?)
     
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    Doesn't i.Link have jitter correction whereas HDMI doesn't?

    The Pioneer 2014i has i.Link and is around £450 now, though a new model is due in a few months with HDMI switch with an £800 RRP.
     
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    Nice find CCPark.

    It also supports DTS 96/24 for the few DVDs which have it and THX Certified. Not that that in reality means a lot. The website says:

    "This model also includes the i.LINK interface, the industry standard for the secure transmission of high resolution audio."

    I'd think Fireware is the best, no?

    Source: http://www.pioneer.co.uk/uk/product_detail.jsp?product_id=9148
     
  6. bradavon78

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    Are HDMI or I-Link better for transferring compressed sound then Optical or Coaxial? (i.e - DD5.1 or DTS)?

    And if so is there much in it?
     
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    Thanks I found that also.

    The Pioneer flagship model is over a £100 less though.
     
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    Picking up a 2014i tomorrow for a bargain price of £400 from Superfi, What Hi-Fi gave it 5 stars in November at £800 :D

    Decided that by the time I need HDMI switching, DD+, etc will be out so I'll be looking for a new amp anyway.
     
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    Can someone please answer this question I posted earlier?

    Are HDMI or I-Link better for transferring compressed sound then Optical or Coaxial? (i.e - DD5.1 or DTS) and if so by how much?


    I find those mags always quote the RRP which I never end up paying.

    Great price btw. Please post what you think when it arrives.

    What's DD+?

    Is there any real point? I'm sensing HDMI 5.1 and I-Link 5.1 (I'll call them that for simplicity) are basically the same quality. Plus I always find it best to split audio and video into two separate cables.
     
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    One of three audio codecs (the others are DTS-HD and MLP Lossless) that will be the default audio on HD DVD/BluRay discs. They are currently noticeable by their absence from AVRs - see this thread on the subject.
     
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    So is SACD not approved for transmission over HDMI? i.Link would be the way to go at the moment then?

    From this article
     
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    Thanks Rasczak

    I've never managed to work out why agreeing on one standard has been so hard for AV companies. The list is endless of formats essentially the same but not compatible with each other.

    I'd think both DD+ and DTS-HD are the way to go as they're bound to be backwards compatible or easier to implement.

    I head it wasn't approved but is now.

    Good point thoug, the cable I use has to support the lot (i.e - 6.1, DVD-A and SACD). I-Link sounds the way to go!
     
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    Always so price orientated? I despair of you people. No wonder this market is in such a mess.
     
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    I- Link is usually better for the transfer of DD, DTS and often better for SPDIF. DVD-A and SACD are harder to judge because the best players of this type still transfer via analogue connections and you would expect a Wadia universal at nearly seven grand to outstrip an 868 at about seven hundred.
    The quality of HDMI is still unknown to me really because I haven't heard it much. The on paper standards for sound transfer are laughably inferior to i-link and even Coax in some respects however. I still expect I-link to be the 21st century equivilent of an AC3 input within a year or two sadly.
     
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    Why sadly, what is wrong with i.Link?
     
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    Nothing- that's the point. The sad fact it that single cable HDMI hookups will become the norm despite being largely inferior.
     
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    In light of HDMI, do you expect i.Link to be phased out?
     
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    Yes- more to the point, in the case of many manufacturers they were never phased in.
     

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