Discussion in 'Satellite TV, Sky TV & FreeSat' started by andrew constant, Mar 20, 2003.
I want to buy a freeveiw box to go with my 36 , tosh any advice would be much appreciated.
Or you could try the Grundig GDT1500
2 scarts an RF loopthrough, timer, etc for under 90quid. I tried both the Nokia and the Grundig and cant say one was better than the other in terms of picture quality and user interface. The Nokia has more features so might be worth the extra 30-40quid if you need/want them tho.
I know the Nokia 221T does win all the reviews, But what is the difference between this box and the cheaper boxes £80-£100 ish.
digital audio out, second scart, timer, very easy to use (Navi bars), received wisdom suggests better weak signal reception.
I have a very old aerial and standard coax, and I simply plugged the Nokia 221t in, pressed start and a couple of mins later had sharp solid picures on all channels. Sound output through the DAVs800 is brill as well.
see April's What Video. The whole mag is devoted to all digital forms. It compares the Freeview STBs and declares the Nokia 221t the winner, well worth the extra few quid.
which freview boxes have s video output through a scart?
See Freeview receiver feature list here:-
Can anyone suggest the best (cheapest) place to buy the Nokia 221T.
Dixons web site has it for £140 with free delivery. They also have the Grundig GDT 1500 for £79.99.
The Nokia may be the best but is it £60 better?
I brought the nokia from dixons for £140 and i am very impressed with it . I upgraded from a old on digital box which was also a nokia 9850t and the pic quility is better and tha menu is also much better,i dont have any regrets buying it,
I got mine from here which might seem dear at first glance but I needed the complete kit because my existing aerial was useless.
I bought a 221T to replace a 9850T I thought was being collected
I didn't think it was as good, took it back and had a Panasonic TUCT20 instead, the Panasonic had faster operation and better PQ than the 221T I tried.
Maybe 221T is better now, it picks up so many good reviews, but I'm delighted with the Panasonic, it works well with my Tivo too.
John Lewis has the Nokia for £129 and they were certainly in stock at Oxford Street last Friday when I looked.
Also at High Wycombe, £129.
I missed the damn Software Update though, finished at 9am this morning apparently
Software update was for system software v1.1.2. This has previously been broadcast and Nokia state on their site
I bought my 221t about 3 weeks ago and it already has system software v1.1.2 installed. So check the version you have (via navi-bars menu) and you will probably find you are ok.
My 221t PQ is pretty good considering I am well into the amber area for signal strength, but I haven't got anything to compare it with so who knows.
Cancel the Nokia get a Pace Twin
nice idea, but the twin is not readily available yet and more than twice the price. I went for the 221t now and in a few months time, there will be 3 or 4 twin type receivers with HDD or similar recorders. They will be a lot cheaper and probably better by that point as well.
It appears you are correct, v1.1.2 is already installed on the Nokia.
A quick question for anyone who knows.
My reception varies from around 33% to 50% (top red to middle amber) however I seem to get a lot of the channels, 37 TV + 16 Radio.....
Does the poor reception mean I'll be missing out on anything even though the channels show up?
thats about the same number of channels as I get from 60% to 80% (top amber to high green) reception. What you probably will get is more pixelation, drop outs, freezes and poor quality pictures. I found fast moving sports to be particularly bad with a poor signal. I bought a cheap signal booster which moved the signal up from 45% to 70% (low-middle amber to low middle green) and this (surprisingly) seems to help. Of course a better aerial is the real answer.
"Which?" did a review of some Freeview boxes a while back. They didn't like the Nokia 9850 very much - they gave it very poor marks for ease of use; in particular it was very slow with digital teletext and occasionally even locked up while accessing it. Lots of features, of couraw. They preferred the Pace "Digital TV" box, despite the fact that it lacks a timer.
"Which?" is a pretty good magazine for protecting peoples rights and deciding which cooker or fridge to buy, but relatively fast moving electrical goods it just ought ot steer well clear of. They take so long to do anything that the items they trial are obsolete before they get the report to market.
Much better to rely on the dedicated magazines which probably have tested the latest and oldest kit. See What Video April edition for a review of the current DVB boxes.
The Daewoo model sold in Currys should be avoided. I (kindly) set it up for my neighbour and the functions were worse or more limited than my two year old Ondigital Pace box.
I've just bought the Grundig GDT 2000 box.
I'm an ex ON Digital Philips first launch customer.
I've since tried NTL Cable and have got Sky at the mo.
I'm not 100% happy with Sky and I miss DTT,so having seen the new GDT 2000 and fancied it,I bought it Tuesday morning.
First impressions are great and I'm impressed.
It's too early to say what pic break up probs I'll get,but I haven't seen any yet.
Same pic quality as Sky generally,but Five is miles better than Sky.
The box looks smart,matches my Sky box,is well made.But the remote could be better or have a Grundig badge on it.
I think it's got the latest software,2.1 is it?
No bugs yet,a brilliant piece of kit.
You are very kind to " Which " ?
interesting the change in emphasis that can be achieved by your selective quotation.
Sorry, I just think Which? magazine has dodgy kudos in lots of respects, no offence to you intended.
I had a look here but can't find the answer.
Does anybody know what boxes (if any) have s-video through scart?
The Pace one has S-Video and RGB,thus > http://www.whatvideotv.com/testbenc...nch/Accessories/Pace/PaceDigitalTVAdapter.php
Thanks for the info Wayne
Don't touch the Nokia if you want something easy to use. Elderly neighbours have just bought and had a 221T professionally installed. They invited me to see it and I am horrified by the poor design of the tiny (but quite pretty) hand set and the almost impenetrable menu system. I plan to e-mail Nokia with an extended version of my comments.
The handset's size makes it difficult to use with one hand, especially for an elderly person or anyone with large hands. The unit is poorly balanced and all the numeric keys are at the bottom of the unit . If you Press Red intuitively, the sound mutes because the mute/on/off key is bright red. The coloured keys are grey with tiny coloured inserts. The TV and radio programs are separated on initialization and require use of the navigation system to change from one to the other; the need to use the TV to change prevents the use of the unit as a radio tuner without turning on the TV. You don't discover this until page 13 of the manual. Unless you are especially nimble, 2 digit programs numbers are easily missed. To sense what it might be like for a 78 year old man with largish hands, try using it in a dimly lit room while wearing a pair of heavy duty rubber kitchen gloves (e.g. yellow 'Marigolds'). The instruction manual does not even contain a quick reference card which might help: How to switch on and off and select tv and radio channels.
By comparison the Grundig GDT1000 (and probably 2000) are brilliant designs easily used.
I could never recommend the Nokia as a simple and easy to use unit.
I have worked professionally on Human Factors design and as a technical writer, and the Nokia unit and its manual fail both in my opinion. If you want to know more download the manual from http://www.nokia.com/nokia/0,,1888,00.html
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